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Post by piglet on Aug 23, 2024 10:48:32 GMT
The tory leadership contest is more important than you think, its only real course is to become like Reform, to be centreist, or left will signal the end of the Tories. You cant be Labour or be anywhere like it.
The lesson of the last election, will it be learned?
Many in the party will try and make sure the Cameron lib dem type survives, and they will suceed. Something fundamental has changed, all is left, the saviours of society are now a small minority, and England will go down, smoking dope, dressed in leathers, in sequins, eye make up, saying dahling....etc. While passing on monkey pox. England will sink economically governed by high, infected morons.
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Post by Bentley on Aug 23, 2024 11:19:43 GMT
Reducing immigration,opposing extreme woke ,opposing the anti white narrative ,slowing down the race to net zero and accepting that multiculturalism has failed isn’t far right politics , it’s fair politics .
It’s centre right politics and thats pretty much where reform is .
The only Tories who agree with this are deemed far right nutters.
Usually by lefties .
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 4, 2024 14:36:03 GMT
Priti Patel is out, Robert Jenrick is fave at the moment. Personally I'd prefer Kemi Badenock as leader, we'll see.
Robert Jenrick: 28
Kemi Badenoch: 22
James Cleverly: 21
Tom Tugendhat: 17
Mel Stride: 16
Dame Priti Patel: 14
I'm slightly surprised Mel Stride beat Priti Patel.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 4, 2024 17:16:01 GMT
Whoever is the next Tory Leader will not be the next Tory PM..
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Post by piglet on Sept 5, 2024 10:25:21 GMT
Its a job i would never apply for, its the wrong time. Someone said that Badenoch spoke in generalisations, that doesnt cut it, its how those generalisations convert into todays politics, no one is going to do that. You cant do more of the same.
Its got to be farage as next PM.
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 5, 2024 14:00:01 GMT
Whoever is the next Tory Leader will not be the next Tory PM.. The parliamentary Conservative Party are very aware that changing leader every five minutes has not gone down well with the electorate let alone with Conservative voters and for that reason I tend to think whoever becomes leader will probably take the party into the next election. But after five years of this shower I strongly suspect the electorate will be pissed off enough to vote Farage into number 10. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 5, 2024 14:02:17 GMT
Its a job i would never apply for, its the wrong time. Someone said that Badenoch spoke in generalisations, that doesnt cut it, its how those generalisations convert into todays politics, no one is going to do that. You cant do more of the same. Its got to be farage as next PM.Indeed, stranger things have happened, and although they're not openly talking about it the Tories are worried about Reform UK. |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 5, 2024 18:18:01 GMT
Whoever is the next Tory Leader will not be the next Tory PM.. They'll be in the same unenviable position as William Hague in 2001. Hague was great at PMQ's great at getting Blair on the ropes, but the country wasn't ready for him.
He did however play a good part in keeping us out of the Euro.
And he helped rebuild the Tories.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 5, 2024 21:23:52 GMT
The key issue for the next Tory leader is to decide what direction the Tories wish to go in - do they want to continue to be a 'big tent' LibDem/Labour social democrat party - or do they want to be a traditional conservative party.
At the moment it seems it's all up for grabs.
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Post by Hutchyns on Sept 6, 2024 15:44:43 GMT
Pacifico
I do wonder whether there'll ever be another Tory PM. And I think it's safe to say that the Starmer regime will have changed the UK sufficiently so that the scope for any future Tory PM would be severely limited, if not non-existent. Just as Scotland, Wales, and London under Khan and Manchester under Burnham have been hived off and effectively brought under permanent Left Wing control, doesn't Starmer have massive plans to do the same with lots of the conurbations ? ....... won't any urban area of significant size have devolved powers in the hands of a Left Wing Mayor ? Any future Tory PM might be able to make a few adjustments in the Shires, but their scope will be vastly curtailed if they hope to do anything vaguely Conservative on a national scale.
Maybe regions will be able to do their own deals with the EU ....and we'll rejoin piecemeal ? Don't underestimate the tricks Sir Keir has up his sleeve, if there are any Right Wingers that aren't imprisoned for dissent or speech crimes, there'll have been a concerted effort to kill them off over consecutive cold Winters before they get chance to put a cross in the 'wrong' box by the time the next Election comes around. A couple of terms for Keir, and then Wes Streeting on the steps of Downing Street, holding hands with his husband, as he takes the reins and acknowledges the cheers of the crowd.
I don't think even Kemi can save us this time.
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Post by piglet on Sept 11, 2024 16:13:32 GMT
Good post, voting now is about not having one, all voting is now for the left. Having said that, the British are conservative by nature, and when Labour do the Venezuala thing, who knows where it goees from there. Ive been saying for a while now that Parliameent is now the Kremlin, it doesnt have the walls....yet.
Its all so naff, who thunked Britain would get like this. This is the real reason for mass unchecked immigration, to change Britains substance...
Not to be British anymore. So the left runs riot, and poops on all that is good and valuable about Britain.
Only guns will change it now.
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 15, 2024 8:43:54 GMT
Pacifico I do wonder whether there'll ever be another Tory PM. And I think it's safe to say that the Starmer regime will have changed the UK sufficiently so that the scope for any future Tory PM would be severely limited, if not non-existent. Just as Scotland, Wales, and London under Khan and Manchester under Burnham have been hived off and effectively brought under permanent Left Wing control, doesn't Starmer have massive plans to do the same with lots of the conurbations ? ....... won't any urban area of significant size have devolved powers in the hands of a Left Wing Mayor ? Any future Tory PM might be able to make a few adjustments in the Shires, but their scope will be vastly curtailed if they hope to do anything vaguely Conservative on a national scale. Maybe regions will be able to do their own deals with the EU ....and we'll rejoin piecemeal ? Don't underestimate the tricks Sir Keir has up his sleeve, if there are any Right Wingers that aren't imprisoned for dissent or speech crimes, there'll have been a concerted effort to kill them off over consecutive cold Winters before they get chance to put a cross in the 'wrong' box by the time the next Election comes around. A couple of terms for Keir, and then Wes Streeting on the steps of Downing Street, holding hands with his husband, as he takes the reins and acknowledges the cheers of the crowd. I don't think even Kemi can save us this time. Don't worry, you'll still have Middlesbrough. |
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Post by wapentake on Sept 15, 2024 9:24:16 GMT
Pacifico I do wonder whether there'll ever be another Tory PM. And I think it's safe to say that the Starmer regime will have changed the UK sufficiently so that the scope for any future Tory PM would be severely limited, if not non-existent. Just as Scotland, Wales, and London under Khan and Manchester under Burnham have been hived off and effectively brought under permanent Left Wing control, doesn't Starmer have massive plans to do the same with lots of the conurbations ? ....... won't any urban area of significant size have devolved powers in the hands of a Left Wing Mayor ? Any future Tory PM might be able to make a few adjustments in the Shires, but their scope will be vastly curtailed if they hope to do anything vaguely Conservative on a national scale. Maybe regions will be able to do their own deals with the EU ....and we'll rejoin piecemeal ? Don't underestimate the tricks Sir Keir has up his sleeve, if there are any Right Wingers that aren't imprisoned for dissent or speech crimes, there'll have been a concerted effort to kill them off over consecutive cold Winters before they get chance to put a cross in the 'wrong' box by the time the next Election comes around. A couple of terms for Keir, and then Wes Streeting on the steps of Downing Street, holding hands with his husband, as he takes the reins and acknowledges the cheers of the crowd. I don't think even Kemi can save us this time. We need saving from Westminster and ther bubble needs bursting,neither of the two major party machines have paid much heed to the people of this country. |
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Post by piglet on Sept 16, 2024 9:47:19 GMT
I watched the Tugenhadt interview on GB news, to cut it short....no as the next leader. Camilla Tominey is a good interviewer, but could be better, she needs to listen more, not constantly interrupt, the more you let someone speak the more they will hang themselves. Constant interupption is bad.
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