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Post by jaydee on Oct 12, 2022 17:03:55 GMT
It is something they have made up, makes them sound IRA-ish, it doesn't mean anything other than to describe the majority of Scots who oppose independence, and possibly the English who don't care either way. Yesterday, the Daily Express was telling me Sturgeon was meant to be really woke and all about pronouns and bathrooms for the right gender etc - today they're like the IRA.
Which one is it? Woke and all cuddly and soft as a bunny? Or an evil IRA militant who wants to hang the Anglish from the flagpoles? There you go. Just as predicted. You are now looking at the reason why Fox closed or rather is closing his forum down.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2022 17:24:02 GMT
They just use words they don't know the meaning of, to which the best response is "Shut up, you stupid boy".
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 13, 2022 7:36:09 GMT
The good thing is that Brexit actually made many English folkies more amenable to Scot indy, because they can see the terms have changed (ie taking Scotland out the EU without its consent - and against its wishes) so that is one of the most major changes no one can refute. The other stuff - yeah of course the usual (to paraphrase you) slaistering drivel posted by Brit Nats will continue to be posted by Brit Nats day after day, no matter how many times you correct them it will still be posted endlessly. The SNP (and maybe Alba) and other facets of the movement IMHO need to be more pro-active in combating active disinformation being pushed by Brit Nats, as they can still weaponise things like GERS (on the gov.scot website) to try and push falsehoods. And then so called fact checker services like FullFact are posting some misinfo about Scot indy too, which is problematic because they are so trusted by so many. In other words, you guys have an uphill battle but I wish you all the best. Do you only advocate the break up of the Union because you didn't get your own way in the Brexit referendum? Can't see what other obvious obsession and motivation a non-Scottish person would have about the issue.
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Post by jaydee on Oct 13, 2022 9:08:18 GMT
The good thing is that Brexit actually made many English folkies more amenable to Scot indy, because they can see the terms have changed (ie taking Scotland out the EU without its consent - and against its wishes) so that is one of the most major changes no one can refute. The other stuff - yeah of course the usual (to paraphrase you) slaistering drivel posted by Brit Nats will continue to be posted by Brit Nats day after day, no matter how many times you correct them it will still be posted endlessly. The SNP (and maybe Alba) and other facets of the movement IMHO need to be more pro-active in combating active disinformation being pushed by Brit Nats, as they can still weaponise things like GERS (on the gov.scot website) to try and push falsehoods. And then so called fact checker services like FullFact are posting some misinfo about Scot indy too, which is problematic because they are so trusted by so many. In other words, you guys have an uphill battle but I wish you all the best. Do you only advocate the break up of the Union because you didn't get your own way in the Brexit referendum? Can't see what other obvious obsession and motivation a non-Scottish person would have about the issue. It is being looked at and followed the world over. As the present incumbent fascist in Westminster display their version of democracy www.centreonconstitutionalchange.ac.uk/opinions/why-are-world-leaders-intervening-scottish-independence-debatewww.chathamhouse.org/2021/05/scottish-independence-will-impact-uks-global-role
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 13, 2022 10:24:43 GMT
From your own link: First, many countries have large multicultural populations. Countries with such diversity are concerned that a vote by Scottish citizens for independence sends a message that differences between peoples can’t be accommodated within wider unions. This, they worry, means that independence might become the option of choice for resolving such differences in other countries – the possibility of a chain-reaction of sorts. Such a consequence, they suggest, could encourage 'balkanisation' and fragmentation in other countries and regions, some of whom have their own domestic movements to contend with. This has the potential to make otherwise stable parts of the world much more messy and volatile. The debate about the future of the UK and Scotland, then, is seen to have much wider implications for different reasons than simply what happens domestically on September 18th and beyond in the UK. Second, while many countries don’t necessarily agree all the time with UK foreign policies, the UK is widely seen to be a stable force for good in the world. Many countries also see the UK as an important ally for addressing many of the world’s pressing issues, whether it is conflict in the Ukraine and the Middle East, or a range of other global challenges. There is a view in some capitals that a vote for independence would also result in the UK becoming distracted and inward-looking, perhaps for years, at a time when the world needs it to be outward looking as the international community tries to deal with various international challenges. A vote by Scots for independence, the argument follows, would dampen the UKs influence in the world at a time when many countries are looking to it to be a leader, or at least a strong ally, and the international influence of an independent Scotland, while no doubt for good, would be very modest. Third, particularly for European countries who are dedicating considerable resources to sorting out difficult problems within Europe itself following the Euro-crises, and also instability on the doorstep of Europe, such as with an increasingly aggressive Russia, renegotiating the terms of Scotland and the UK’s membership in the EU is also seen as an unwelcome prospect. It would inevitably require countries to redirect resources towards a potentially protracted period of negotiation. Of course, the same view might also be expressed for a UK in-out referendum on its membership of the EU.They sound overjoyed with Scotland's desire for 'freedom'. So, that still doesn't answer my question posed to Oran 77 why he, as a non-Scottish poster is hellbent on seeing Scotland leave the Union - I can only conclude that it starts with B and ends in t.
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Post by jaydee on Oct 13, 2022 12:14:46 GMT
From your own link: First, many countries have large multicultural populations. Countries with such diversity are concerned that a vote by Scottish citizens for independence sends a message that differences between peoples can’t be accommodated within wider unions. This, they worry, means that independence might become the option of choice for resolving such differences in other countries – the possibility of a chain-reaction of sorts. Such a consequence, they suggest, could encourage 'balkanisation' and fragmentation in other countries and regions, some of whom have their own domestic movements to contend with. This has the potential to make otherwise stable parts of the world much more messy and volatile. The debate about the future of the UK and Scotland, then, is seen to have much wider implications for different reasons than simply what happens domestically on September 18th and beyond in the UK. Second, while many countries don’t necessarily agree all the time with UK foreign policies, the UK is widely seen to be a stable force for good in the world. Many countries also see the UK as an important ally for addressing many of the world’s pressing issues, whether it is conflict in the Ukraine and the Middle East, or a range of other global challenges. There is a view in some capitals that a vote for independence would also result in the UK becoming distracted and inward-looking, perhaps for years, at a time when the world needs it to be outward looking as the international community tries to deal with various international challenges. A vote by Scots for independence, the argument follows, would dampen the UKs influence in the world at a time when many countries are looking to it to be a leader, or at least a strong ally, and the international influence of an independent Scotland, while no doubt for good, would be very modest. Third, particularly for European countries who are dedicating considerable resources to sorting out difficult problems within Europe itself following the Euro-crises, and also instability on the doorstep of Europe, such as with an increasingly aggressive Russia, renegotiating the terms of Scotland and the UK’s membership in the EU is also seen as an unwelcome prospect. It would inevitably require countries to redirect resources towards a potentially protracted period of negotiation. Of course, the same view might also be expressed for a UK in-out referendum on its membership of the EU.They sound overjoyed with Scotland's desire for 'freedom'. So, that still doesn't answer my question posed to Oran 77 why he, as a non-Scottish poster is hellbent on seeing Scotland leave the Union - I can only conclude that it starts with B and ends in t. I cannot answer for him. Or even attempted. I gave you answer of how world leaders who are not Scottish. Most of whom could not give one toss, if the UK was in or out of the EU. Not to mention a vast majority of Catalonia are hell bent on Scotland leaving the Union. Not to mention the little Englander elements of England. Who are also not Scottish. Not to mention many EU leaders have pledge to keep the door open for a Scottish re-entry. None of them are Scottish But I contend i did answer your question. I am not really sure of the purpose of your question. www.thenational.scot/news/20248031.anc-leader-catalonia-take-note-indyref2-strategy/www.thenational.scot/news/19337786.scottish-independence-just-fifth-english-voters-oppose-ending-union/www.pressreader.com/uk/the-national-scotland/20221009/281595244430220
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 12:44:17 GMT
The good thing is that Brexit actually made many English folkies more amenable to Scot indy, because they can see the terms have changed (ie taking Scotland out the EU without its consent - and against its wishes) so that is one of the most major changes no one can refute. The other stuff - yeah of course the usual (to paraphrase you) slaistering drivel posted by Brit Nats will continue to be posted by Brit Nats day after day, no matter how many times you correct them it will still be posted endlessly. The SNP (and maybe Alba) and other facets of the movement IMHO need to be more pro-active in combating active disinformation being pushed by Brit Nats, as they can still weaponise things like GERS (on the gov.scot website) to try and push falsehoods. And then so called fact checker services like FullFact are posting some misinfo about Scot indy too, which is problematic because they are so trusted by so many. In other words, you guys have an uphill battle but I wish you all the best. Do you only advocate the break up of the Union because you didn't get your own way in the Brexit referendum? Can't see what other obvious obsession and motivation a non-Scottish person would have about the issue. Who says I'm non-Scottish? I'm actually part Scot, but that's only part of why I'm interested in this.
And who says I'm a Remainer? Apart from you that is.
I'll just let you continue to put words in my mouth for me.
Nevermind the fact some think democracy is a good thing, independence is a good thing..
You can continue to push whatever narrative you like. Like the SNP are IRA, I am non Scottish (surpriseid you didn't say a "Plastic Scot", that's what some people say as well as calling me a Plastic Paddy when I advocate on behalf of Norn Iron etc etc etc).
I'll leave you to your assumptions.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 12:46:23 GMT
From your own link: First, many countries have large multicultural populations. Countries with such diversity are concerned that a vote by Scottish citizens for independence sends a message that differences between peoples can’t be accommodated within wider unions. This, they worry, means that independence might become the option of choice for resolving such differences in other countries – the possibility of a chain-reaction of sorts. Such a consequence, they suggest, could encourage 'balkanisation' and fragmentation in other countries and regions, some of whom have their own domestic movements to contend with. This has the potential to make otherwise stable parts of the world much more messy and volatile. The debate about the future of the UK and Scotland, then, is seen to have much wider implications for different reasons than simply what happens domestically on September 18th and beyond in the UK. Second, while many countries don’t necessarily agree all the time with UK foreign policies, the UK is widely seen to be a stable force for good in the world. Many countries also see the UK as an important ally for addressing many of the world’s pressing issues, whether it is conflict in the Ukraine and the Middle East, or a range of other global challenges. There is a view in some capitals that a vote for independence would also result in the UK becoming distracted and inward-looking, perhaps for years, at a time when the world needs it to be outward looking as the international community tries to deal with various international challenges. A vote by Scots for independence, the argument follows, would dampen the UKs influence in the world at a time when many countries are looking to it to be a leader, or at least a strong ally, and the international influence of an independent Scotland, while no doubt for good, would be very modest. Third, particularly for European countries who are dedicating considerable resources to sorting out difficult problems within Europe itself following the Euro-crises, and also instability on the doorstep of Europe, such as with an increasingly aggressive Russia, renegotiating the terms of Scotland and the UK’s membership in the EU is also seen as an unwelcome prospect. It would inevitably require countries to redirect resources towards a potentially protracted period of negotiation. Of course, the same view might also be expressed for a UK in-out referendum on its membership of the EU.They sound overjoyed with Scotland's desire for 'freedom'. So, that still doesn't answer my question posed to Oran 77 why he, as a non-Scottish poster is hellbent on seeing Scotland leave the Union - I can only conclude that it starts with B and ends in t. Is it bullshit?
Do I win a prize if I get the answer right?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 12:48:48 GMT
From your own link: First, many countries have large multicultural populations. Countries with such diversity are concerned that a vote by Scottish citizens for independence sends a message that differences between peoples can’t be accommodated within wider unions. This, they worry, means that independence might become the option of choice for resolving such differences in other countries – the possibility of a chain-reaction of sorts. Such a consequence, they suggest, could encourage 'balkanisation' and fragmentation in other countries and regions, some of whom have their own domestic movements to contend with. This has the potential to make otherwise stable parts of the world much more messy and volatile. The debate about the future of the UK and Scotland, then, is seen to have much wider implications for different reasons than simply what happens domestically on September 18th and beyond in the UK. Second, while many countries don’t necessarily agree all the time with UK foreign policies, the UK is widely seen to be a stable force for good in the world. Many countries also see the UK as an important ally for addressing many of the world’s pressing issues, whether it is conflict in the Ukraine and the Middle East, or a range of other global challenges. There is a view in some capitals that a vote for independence would also result in the UK becoming distracted and inward-looking, perhaps for years, at a time when the world needs it to be outward looking as the international community tries to deal with various international challenges. A vote by Scots for independence, the argument follows, would dampen the UKs influence in the world at a time when many countries are looking to it to be a leader, or at least a strong ally, and the international influence of an independent Scotland, while no doubt for good, would be very modest. Third, particularly for European countries who are dedicating considerable resources to sorting out difficult problems within Europe itself following the Euro-crises, and also instability on the doorstep of Europe, such as with an increasingly aggressive Russia, renegotiating the terms of Scotland and the UK’s membership in the EU is also seen as an unwelcome prospect. It would inevitably require countries to redirect resources towards a potentially protracted period of negotiation. Of course, the same view might also be expressed for a UK in-out referendum on its membership of the EU.They sound overjoyed with Scotland's desire for 'freedom'. So, that still doesn't answer my question posed to Oran 77 why he, as a non-Scottish poster is hellbent on seeing Scotland leave the Union - I can only conclude that it starts with B and ends in t. I cannot answer for him. Or even attempted. I gave you answer of how world leaders who are not Scottish. Most of whom could not give one toss, if the UK was in or out of the EU. Not to mention a vast majority of Catalonia are hell bent on Scotland leaving the Union. Not to mention the little Englander elements of England. Who are also not Scottish. Not to mention many EU leaders have pledge to keep the door open for a Scottish re-entry. None of them are Scottish But I contend i did answer your question. I am not really sure of the purpose of your question. www.thenational.scot/news/20248031.anc-leader-catalonia-take-note-indyref2-strategy/www.thenational.scot/news/19337786.scottish-independence-just-fifth-english-voters-oppose-ending-union/www.pressreader.com/uk/the-national-scotland/20221009/281595244430220They call you a plastic paddy if you're interested in issues in Norn Iron, a plastic scot if you're interested in Scottish issues (amusing because I am actually part Scot), they accuse you of hating your country if you're not a raging Brexit supporting Express reader, and if you point out our history you must hate everything this country has ever stood for.
Very tedious back and forth. But good on you for engaging and providing links (which won't be read prob).
Very good link BTW..
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Post by Bentley on Oct 13, 2022 12:51:06 GMT
Woke is all cuddly and soft as a bunny ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 13:05:17 GMT
Woke is all cuddly and soft as a bunny ? Why not? We are told the woke people are limp wristed vegan socialists who could do no harm to anything. And yet the next day they are like the IRA and are nasty terrorists.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 13, 2022 13:09:37 GMT
Woke is all cuddly and soft as a bunny ? Why not? We are told the woke people are limp wristed vegan socialists who could do no harm to anything. And yet the next day they are like the IRA and are nasty terrorists. I think you are confusing woke with snowflake . Nobody thinks BLM are limp waisted vegans . Unless you claim BLM are not woke of course .
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Post by jaydee on Oct 13, 2022 15:51:59 GMT
Very tedious back and forth. But good on you for engaging and providing links (which won't be read prob).
Very good link BTW. I have been on the PoFo since 2012 and I can assure that most links are read. On top pf which every Jock hating little Englander crack pot since then have stated they never read my post. But somehow magically read them All end up the same as I get called anti English on drugs, and every half baked insult known to man. To that ilk. I am also a half breed as my mother was English. I am sure her Late Majesty was not trying to hide the fact her mother was Scottish. But that is what I have been dealing with for nearly 7 decades. The no dogs, black or irish Brigade. It goes in one ear and out the other.; The sad bit. That ilk now all know they have been lied through the teeth to. Yet will not admit it. And their head is so far stuck up their rectum. Nothing gets through. You are watching it here on the first days of this new forum. The second you start a sensible discussion. In they come ranting havering slastering drivel. Totally incapable of backing it and answer nothing. And totally inca[pbale of doing one second of research. As they go back and read the Emperor's Clothes Then rant the same garbage days later. There are only three or so on here just now. Around another half dozen are still to make an appearance. Th sad bit with them. They are in denial and refuse to admit they have been lied to. But they then start to lie to themselves. At that sad point it goes as you rightly point out. They then become pathetic, trolls destroy threads and lead a sad life as they look for brownie points from those who think the same. It has only taken three days for that to happen
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Post by bucaneer on Oct 14, 2022 7:41:41 GMT
Who says I'm non-Scottish? I'm actually part Scot, but that's only part of why I'm interested in this.
And who says I'm a Remainer? Apart from you that is.
I'll just let you continue to put words in my mouth for me.
Nevermind the fact some think democracy is a good thing, independence is a good thing..
You can continue to push whatever narrative you like. Like the SNP are IRA, I am non Scottish (surpriseid you didn't say a "Plastic Scot", that's what some people say as well as calling me a Plastic Paddy when I advocate on behalf of Norn Iron etc etc etc).
I'll leave you to your assumptions.
From your responses I gathered you weren't Scottish - my mistake. I understand that's why you're partly interested in this. The way you regard "little Englander folkies" and classyfying Brexit as "bullshit" one would rightly assume you do not support Brexit. After all, 'little Englander folks' is something out the remainer hand-book of pejoratives along with calling Brexit "bullshit" of course. I also, believe you're one of SteveK's drones from UKdebate and it seems pretty common knowledge that the five or so remaining active members all read from the same script in that echo chamber. If you don't want to admit that you are a remainer on this forum that is your prerogative. However, people will draw their own conclusions with your language and slurs even. Considering you were having a whinge about me making 'assumptions' I find it surprising you say I didn't call you a "plastic scot", or something to do with the IRA. What was it you said about putting words into people's mouths?
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Post by Guest on Oct 14, 2022 10:29:20 GMT
Who says I'm non-Scottish? I'm actually part Scot, but that's only part of why I'm interested in this.
And who says I'm a Remainer? Apart from you that is.
I'll just let you continue to put words in my mouth for me.
Nevermind the fact some think democracy is a good thing, independence is a good thing..
You can continue to push whatever narrative you like. Like the SNP are IRA, I am non Scottish (surpriseid you didn't say a "Plastic Scot", that's what some people say as well as calling me a Plastic Paddy when I advocate on behalf of Norn Iron etc etc etc).
I'll leave you to your assumptions.
From your responses I gathered you weren't Scottish - my mistake. I understand that's why you're partly interested in this. The way you regard "little Englander folkies" and classyfying Brexit as "bullshit" one would rightly assume you do not support Brexit. After all, 'little Englander folks' is something out the remainer hand-book of pejoratives along with calling Brexit "bullshit" of course. I also, believe you're one of SteveK's drones from UKdebate and it seems pretty common knowledge that the five or so remaining active members all read from the same script in that echo chamber. If you don't want to admit that you are a remainer on this forum that is your prerogative. However, people will draw their own conclusions with your language and slurs even. Considering you were having a whinge about me making 'assumptions' I find it surprising you say I didn't call you a "plastic scot", or something to do with the IRA. What was it you said about putting words into people's mouths? Should we allow Guests to post in threads?
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