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Post by jaydee on Oct 12, 2022 9:03:36 GMT
Could I make something clear and aimed at those who swallow hook line and sinker the drivel being spewed on the Telly by UK government Ministers who are lying through their teeth with misinformation. The power of the Scottish Government to hold a referendum is a devolved matter. Law officers are not disputing the Referendums (Scotland) Act 2020 is within Holyrood's legislative competence. The Scottish Government can hold as many referendums as it likes. What is being disputed by the Uk government. Judges are being asked to establish if the Scottish Parliament has the legislative competence to hold a binding referendum without the permission of Westminster. Scotland most senior law officer has made it clear to the judges that they were to rule on a point of law and the political impact had nothing to do with them. Just to make it clear as i read the absolute guff being spewed. If the law Lords state Holyrood has. Then the result is binding. If the law lords say the power was not within the remit of Holyrood. As I understand. A referendum will still be held. The binding legality will not enter the equation. It is the result that will count. Following that. The First Minister has made it clear. On the next Scottish election. She will make the manifesto on the basis of Scotland to go its merry way. The Scottish Tory's with its clown of a leader, in the Scottish parliament are expected to be wiped out. Making Labour the new opposition in Holyrood. None as I understand will be elected on FPTP, but on the list vote.. The branch office of Scottish Labour is expected to win 7 seats in the next GE www.thenational.scot/news/23023491.tories-return-zero-scottish-mps-next-election-poll-finds/ |
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Post by Steve on Oct 12, 2022 9:05:02 GMT
duplicate thread alert
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Post by jaydee on Oct 12, 2022 9:11:55 GMT
Is it. Could you point to it and I will get it moved |
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Post by Steve on Oct 12, 2022 15:28:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2022 15:35:20 GMT
It's not a duplicate thread, Baron's thread is dedicated to the "SNP Referendum Gold Standard", mine is about the margin-for-error in Scot IndyRef polling so IMHO, Jaydee's OP is fair game here, he's talking about whether Scot Indyref2 would be binding which is a separate topic. Jaydee, why not edit the topic title to be "Legality/How Binding is Scot Indyref" or maybe "Clearing Up Myths Of How Binding Scot Indyref Is" or something like that. Or a fightier title perhaps.
"Brit Nats Get It Wrong About Indyref2, As Always"
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Post by jaydee on Oct 12, 2022 15:49:23 GMT
Cheers mate. But I contend it is two separate issues. Thanks anyway. |
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Post by jaydee on Oct 12, 2022 15:58:11 GMT
It's not a duplicate thread, Baron's thread is dedicated to the "SNP Referendum Gold Standard", mine is about the margin-for-error in Scot IndyRef polling so IMHO, Jaydee's OP is fair game here, he's talking about whether Scot Indyref2 would be binding which is a separate topic. Jaydee, why not edit the topic title to be "Legality/How Binding is Scot Indyref" or maybe "Clearing Up Myths Of How Binding Scot Indyref Is" or something like that. Or a fightier title perhaps.
"Brit Nats Get It Wrong About Indyref2, As Always"
(I like that title the best )
Well I have done that. But it will make not make one iota of a difference. In two or so post time up will come. The Scots are not allowed a referendum unless Westminster says so. . I see that one by one the hate filled little Englanders and their hate filled bile are slowly creeping over here from PoFo. The ones that finally caused Fox the decision to close down the forum. It is now going to be how the Snazis work on English money and everybody who disagrees is on drugs, a traitor and anti English. I see you found that out with one certain person. I feel sorry for him. But there is no getting through. He will come up with the same garbage tomorrow. I have no idea what his beef is. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2022 16:05:06 GMT
The good thing is that Brexit actually made many English folkies more amenable to Scot indy, because they can see the terms have changed (ie taking Scotland out the EU without its consent - and against its wishes) so that is one of the most major changes no one can refute.
The other stuff - yeah of course the usual (to paraphrase you) slaistering drivel posted by Brit Nats will continue to be posted by Brit Nats day after day, no matter how many times you correct them it will still be posted endlessly.
The SNP (and maybe Alba) and other facets of the movement IMHO need to be more pro-active in combating active disinformation being pushed by Brit Nats, as they can still weaponise things like GERS (on the gov.scot website) to try and push falsehoods.
And then so called fact checker services like FullFact are posting some misinfo about Scot indy too, which is problematic because they are so trusted by so many.
In other words, you guys have an uphill battle but I wish you all the best.
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Post by jaydee on Oct 12, 2022 16:35:57 GMT
The good thing is that Brexit actually made many English folkies more amenable to Scot indy, because they can see the terms have changed (ie taking Scotland out the EU without its consent - and against its wishes) so that is one of the most major changes no one can refute. The other stuff - yeah of course the usual (to paraphrase you) slaistering drivel posted by Brit Nats will continue to be posted by Brit Nats day after day, no matter how many times you correct them it will still be posted endlessly. The SNP (and maybe Alba) and other facets of the movement IMHO need to be more pro-active in combating active disinformation being pushed by Brit Nats, as they can still weaponise things like GERS (on the gov.scot website) to try and push falsehoods. And then so called fact checker services like FullFact are posting some misinfo about Scot indy too, which is problematic because they are so trusted by so many. In other words, you guys have an uphill battle but I wish you all the best. In terms of Brexit. The Farage/Johnston apologist nut jobs are in total denial, but know they have been lied to. The sad part is they know they are now lying to themselves but do not admit it. Despite the facts being stuffed under their eyes they continue to read the Emperor's Clothes. In terms of GERs. It has well and truly been rubbished by the authors the Fraser of Allander Institute. The past author being a member of the Conservative party. I cannot recall his name. I suspect he was under instruction from a former Tory Scottish Secretary of State Michael Forsyth to implement misinformation into the Scotland Act re GErs. In some bizzare attempt to stop the rise of the SNP. Like how 8% of the population was responsible for 50% of the UK deficit. Swallowed hook line and sinker by the likes of the Farage/Johnston apologist. And still spewing the same garbage despite it being pointed out www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/09/04/my-thanks-to-the-fraser-of-allander-for-agreeing-i-am-right-on-gers-now-lets-have-the-debate-on-what-to-do-about-it/www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2019/08/24/the-fraser-of-allender-is-failing-scotland-very-badly-when-it-comes-to-gers/ |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 12, 2022 16:40:22 GMT
Brit Nats? Are there any or is that just the Snazi's makey-uppey bogeyman?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2022 16:50:04 GMT
The good thing is that Brexit actually made many English folkies more amenable to Scot indy, because they can see the terms have changed (ie taking Scotland out the EU without its consent - and against its wishes) so that is one of the most major changes no one can refute. The other stuff - yeah of course the usual (to paraphrase you) slaistering drivel posted by Brit Nats will continue to be posted by Brit Nats day after day, no matter how many times you correct them it will still be posted endlessly. The SNP (and maybe Alba) and other facets of the movement IMHO need to be more pro-active in combating active disinformation being pushed by Brit Nats, as they can still weaponise things like GERS (on the gov.scot website) to try and push falsehoods. And then so called fact checker services like FullFact are posting some misinfo about Scot indy too, which is problematic because they are so trusted by so many. In other words, you guys have an uphill battle but I wish you all the best. In terms of Brexit. The Farage/Johnston apologist nut jobs are in total denial, but know they have been lied to. The sad part is they know they are now lying to themselves but do not admit it. Despite the facts being stuffed under their eyes they continue to read the Emperor's Clothes. In terms of GERs. It has well and truly been rubbished by the authors the Fraser of Allander Institute. The past author being a member of the Conservative party. I cannot recall his name. I suspect he was under instruction from a former Tory Scottish Secretary of State Michael Forsyth to implement misinformation into the Scotland Act re GErs. In some bizzare attempt to stop the rise of the SNP. Like how 8% of the population was responsible for 50% of the UK deficit. Swallowed hook line and sinker by the likes of the Farage/Johnston apologist. And still spewing the same garbage despite it being pointed out www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/09/04/my-thanks-to-the-fraser-of-allander-for-agreeing-i-am-right-on-gers-now-lets-have-the-debate-on-what-to-do-about-it/www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2019/08/24/the-fraser-of-allender-is-failing-scotland-very-badly-when-it-comes-to-gers/Good post as always. And I would add one more thing: let's assume just for one second they do have a point (Uni of Strathclyde).
Well England is running a deficit isn't it? Is it or isn't it? Yes it is.
If England is mostly being subsidised by the South-East and is running in deficit, then what is the problem with Scotland running a deficit anyway? (Not that I accept the assumptions of the Brit Nats on this point but just saying what-if).
Don't most developed countries run a deficit? Would it somehow be abnormal? No it isn't. The most powerful countries in the world run ridiculously large deficits they have no hope in heck of ever paying back right? Same for small rich countries.
And they complain about infighting in the Indy movement but look at Westminster right now . The Tories are imploding as we speak, so who are they to laugh at others for infighting when the Tories are imploding and doing the "infamy! infamy!" Carry On style stuff right before our eyes? Labour are stabbing each other in the front and back as we speak, the Remainers and Brexiters in England, the Lib Dems, everyone.
And yet they laugh at infighting over there while politics in England is nothing but back and frontstabbing. They really don't get the irony in all this.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2022 16:52:54 GMT
Brit Nats? Are there any or is that just the Snazi's makey-uppey bogeyman? Well, when you use Scot Nats as a pejorative - expect to have it thrown back in your face. |
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Post by om15 on Oct 12, 2022 16:54:42 GMT
It is something they have made up, makes them sound IRA-ish, it doesn't mean anything other than to describe the majority of Scots who oppose independence, and possibly the English who don't care either way.
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Post by jaydee on Oct 12, 2022 16:55:20 GMT
Brit Nats? Are there any or is that just the Snazi's makey-uppey bogeyman? Ah Nigel True to form. Bang on time. Just as predicted less than a hour ago. Yes there are Brit Nats and little Englanders. Brilliant year for Nazis. I am still waiting on how you conclude Right wing neo Nazis are left wing and there was me thinking this was about a indy ref. Do you still paint L on your shoes when dressing. You do understand a Nazi is a right wing fascist. Like Farage. The epitome of a Fascist little Englander John Amery - English Civilian - Guilty of treason, executed on 19 December 1945 George Johnson Armstrong -English. Civilian - Guilty of treachery, executed on 10 July 1941 Norman Baillie-Stewart - English. Guilty of "committing an act likely to assist the enemy", sentenced to 5 years in jail Harold Cole - English Soldier - A con man,thief and deserter who betrayed escaped airmen and French Resistance members to the Gestapo - killed by French Police 1945. Thomas Haller Cooper -English member of Waffen-SS - Guilty of treason, sentence of death was commuted to life imprisonment - released 1953 Oswald John Job - English Civilian - London-born - "may well have been an informer" within St Denis internment camp. Guilty of treachery, executed on 16 March 1944 William Joyce - Member of Oswalds English Fascist Party. American Civilian - Guilty of treason, executed on 3 January 1946. Nicknamed "Lord Haw-Haw" Roy Walter Purdy - English Merchant Navy officer, propaganda broadcaster and informer at Colditz, - released Theodore Schurch - English. Soldier - Guilty of treachery, executed on 4 January 1946 Duncan Scott-Ford - English - Merchant seaman - Guilty of treachery, executed on 3 November 1942 theconversation.com/englands-football-team-has-played-1-000-games-heres-the-most-notorious-127071www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3169457/More-pictures-Edward-VIII-giving-Nazi-salute-1937-visit-Germany-emerge-auction.htmlwww.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2973681/Edward-Nazi-King-England-Princess-Dianas-biographer-reveals-Duke-Windsor-s-collusion-Hitler.htmlen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_Mosley |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2022 16:59:40 GMT
It is something they have made up, makes them sound IRA-ish, it doesn't mean anything other than to describe the majority of Scots who oppose independence, and possibly the English who don't care either way. Yesterday, the Daily Express was telling me Sturgeon was meant to be really woke and all about pronouns and bathrooms for the right gender etc - today they're like the IRA.
Which one is it? Woke and all cuddly and soft as a bunny? Or an evil IRA militant who wants to hang the Anglish from the flagpoles? |
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