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Post by wapentake on Aug 12, 2024 13:38:31 GMT
I just hope this doesn’t cause anyone to kick off again,the knifeman was disarmed by a security guard called abdullah so I guess that might help. link |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 12, 2024 15:02:29 GMT
I just hope this doesn’t cause anyone to kick off again,the knifeman was disarmed by a security guard called abdullah so I guess that might help. linkWell if it does the only person to blame apart from stabber is Starmer, he's too busy closing down right wing politics and stifling free speech he's losing control of the streets ....remembering ... Nero fiddled while Rome burned .... springs to mind. |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 12, 2024 15:46:25 GMT
I just hope this doesn’t cause anyone to kick off again,the knifeman was disarmed by a security guard called abdullah so I guess that might help. linkWell if it does the only person to blame apart from stabber is Starmer, he's too busy closing down right wing politics and stifling free speech he's losing control of the streets ....remembering ... Nero fiddled while Rome burned .... springs to mind. Tbh I just can’t get my head around the number of stabbings of late,if they’re going to be stopped they need to do what they’ve done to the rioters and for stabbing someone it should be a minimum of 20 more if they die like life meaning just that. Starmer is out of his depth which in his case is a puddle. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 12, 2024 16:19:29 GMT
Well if it does the only person to blame apart from stabber is Starmer, he's too busy closing down right wing politics and stifling free speech he's losing control of the streets ....remembering ... Nero fiddled while Rome burned .... springs to mind. Tbh I just can’t get my head around the number of stabbings of late,if they’re going to be stopped they need to do what they’ve done to the rioters and for stabbing someone it should be a minimum of 20 more if they die like life meaning just that. Starmer is out of his depth which in his case is a puddle. Within three hours of the attack the perpetrator was described as a skinny 34 year old white man. |
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Post by buccaneer on Aug 13, 2024 8:22:15 GMT
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Post by Orac on Aug 13, 2024 8:35:57 GMT
Isn't it the government's responsibility to protect its citizens, and not to play Russian roulette with their lives in order to look virtuous? Yes. However, the UK no longer has any significant political culture and elected politicians have very little autonomy (in other words, we no longer have a democracy), so they concentrate on photo-shoots, interviews and absurd counter-real stances Meanwhile the country is undergoing social collapse |
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Post by Dogburger on Aug 13, 2024 8:45:03 GMT
Romanian name so I guess he is a left over from our time in the EU's freedom of movement shitshow .How many of these nutjobs we have let in the country without checks is unknown and it continues today with the illegal immigration across the channel . As you say buccaneer the governments of the UK are playing with the lives of its citizens ,if they can't protect us we will have to protect ourselves and thats why there will be more and I fear growing unrest on the streets of the UK |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 13, 2024 12:00:07 GMT
So he's a Romanian of no fixed abode. Is he an illegal? Who knows, the police certainly aren't going to say. I have every confidence the motive for this attack will be the tried and tested, 'mental health issues'. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 13, 2024 15:40:27 GMT
I just hope this doesn’t cause anyone to kick off again,the knifeman was disarmed by a security guard called abdullah so I guess that might help. linkWell if it does the only person to blame apart from stabber is Starmer, he's too busy closing down right wing politics and stifling free speech he's losing control of the streets ....remembering ... Nero fiddled while Rome burned .... springs to mind. Exactly how is Starmer to blame for this? That makes no sense at all. The ONLY mitigating factor here may be mental health, and it was Thatcher (NOT Starmer) that closed down all the mental health facilities in favour of "care in the community". Did you blame Boris Johnson for this? If not, why not? All The Best |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 13, 2024 16:14:10 GMT
Thatcher has been out of office for over 3 decades and dead for ten years - but still everything is her fault..  |
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Post by ratcliff on Aug 13, 2024 16:33:14 GMT
Well if it does the only person to blame apart from stabber is Starmer, he's too busy closing down right wing politics and stifling free speech he's losing control of the streets ....remembering ... Nero fiddled while Rome burned .... springs to mind. Exactly how is Starmer to blame for this? That makes no sense at all. The ONLY mitigating factor here may be mental health, and it was Thatcher (NOT Starmer) that closed down all the mental health facilities in favour of "care in the community". Did you blame Boris Johnson for this? If not, why not? All The Best
All? Don't be ridiculous You've posted elsewhere that broad brush terms should not be used and yet you've done so here for your own reasons . Deinstitutionalisation (for that is apparently the correct term I've looked it up ) has been ongoing and supported in the Western world since the late 40s /50s , and in the UK , well before Mrs T , Enoch Powell's Water Tower speech in 1961 announced the shrinking of resident populations in Victorian mental hospitals apparently a result of improved pharmacologicals that began in 1954, with the marketing of Largactil for example, and the public recognition post WW2 of the appalling conditions in institutions in the western world which JFK regularly addressed . Deinstitutionalisation was not a uniquely British phenomenon, of course. Strikingly similar patterns can be observed in the United States and, later, in most advanced industrial societies. The mental hospital, once touted as ‘the most blessed manifestation of true civilization the world can present’,4 was now dismissed as a ‘total Institution’ on a par with such places as prisons and concentration camps, an anti-therapeutic engine of degradation that fomented chronicity rather than cured its inmates.5 That focus on the defects of the institution and its malign effects on those it purported to treat accounted for much of the support the new policy drew from civil libertarians and those concerned with patients’ rights
www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/asylums/special/excerpt.html#:~:text=Deinstitutionalization%20began%20in%201955%20with,of%20federal%20Medicaid%20and%20Medicare.
psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp-rj.2021.160404
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinstitutionalization_in_the_United_States
www.cambridge.org/core/books/mind-state-and-society/uk-deinstitutionalisation-neoliberal-values-and-mental-health/A84AA14AA02A7DC0DCC3A9528B189ED1
www.jfklibrary.org/learn/about-jfk/jfk-in-history/john-f-kennedy-and-people-with-intellectual-disabilities
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 13, 2024 17:00:29 GMT
Thatcher has been out of office for over 3 decades and dead for ten years - but still everything is her fault.. Well it IS more her fault than Starmer's, who has barely been in office 4 weeks. That was my point, a point intelligent debaters should have picked up. All The Best |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 13, 2024 17:37:12 GMT
And following the Nottingham people killed by a paranoid schizophrenic who was failed and the three people dead and their families failed what’s the reply.
Lessons have been learnt…………..no they haven’t and never are.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 13, 2024 17:42:40 GMT
Thatcher has been out of office for over 3 decades and dead for ten years - but still everything is her fault.. Well it IS more her fault than Starmer's, who has barely been in office 4 weeks. That was my point, a point intelligent debaters should have picked up. All The Best Starmer is in power - not Thatcher. How long do they have to be in office before it's acceptable to you for us to criticise those in power? |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 13, 2024 18:00:05 GMT
Well it IS more her fault than Starmer's, who has barely been in office 4 weeks. That was my point, a point intelligent debaters should have picked up. All The Best Starmer is in power - not Thatcher. How long do they have to be in office before it's acceptable to you for us to criticise those in power? Well how long did Tory supporters go on blaming New Labour for everything? About 14 years? Sunak was still doing it almost as he called the General Election IIRC Starmer has not had anywhere near enough time to develop, fund and implement a new Mental Health System; surely even you have to accept that. From my experience of project implementation on a vastly smaller scale I would suggest for something with the scope and scale of a national mental health systemic overhaul you'd be looking at it taking at least a year. Starmer did not close down Mental Health Services, in favour of "care in the community"; Thatcher did. So it is patently obvious to any unbiased mind, that Thatcher is more to blame for this, if Mental Health is a cause, than Starmer. It is also perfectly fair to blame both New Labour and the last 14 years of Tory rule for not seeking to deal with these issues. All The Best |
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