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Post by wapentake on Aug 10, 2024 13:49:24 GMT
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Post by patman post on Aug 10, 2024 14:53:44 GMT
Casual observer? Did you read your link in full...?
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Post by wapentake on Aug 10, 2024 15:21:17 GMT
Casual observer? Did you read your link in full...? Yes I did Did you? Forget the individual but not what the judge said Anybody involving themselves in this type of behaviour, this type of disorder, be an active participant or a curious observer can expect to be, save for the most exceptional circumstances, remanded into custody, and this defendant is remanded into custody.”
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Post by patman post on Aug 10, 2024 17:42:30 GMT
Casual observer? Did you read your link in full...? Yes I did Did you? Forget the individual but not what the judge said Anybody involving themselves in this type of behaviour, this type of disorder, be an active participant or a curious observer can expect to be, save for the most exceptional circumstances, remanded into custody, and this defendant is remanded into custody.”Even during the aftermath of motorway accidents rubberneckers can be a hazard that police may move on and apprehend if they refuse. Riots are more serious and, in Parts of the UK, the likelihood of violence remains a serious possibility…
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Post by wapentake on Aug 10, 2024 17:52:22 GMT
Yes I did Did you? Forget the individual but not what the judge said Anybody involving themselves in this type of behaviour, this type of disorder, be an active participant or a curious observer can expect to be, save for the most exceptional circumstances, remanded into custody, and this defendant is remanded into custody.”Even during the aftermath of motorway accidents rubberneckers can be a hazard that police may move on and apprehend if they refuse. Riots are more serious and, in Parts of the UK, the likelihood of violence remains a serious possibility… Oh behave Pat rubber neckers don't get remanded in custody,so if you’re on your lawful business going some where and you see something and go see then you’re liable to arrest and remanded in custody according to that judges statement,that is a nonsensical statement.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 11, 2024 10:25:33 GMT
Casual observer? Did you read your link in full...? Yes I did Did you? Forget the individual but not what the judge said Anybody involving themselves in this type of behaviour, this type of disorder, be an active participant or a curious observer can expect to be, save for the most exceptional circumstances, remanded into custody, and this defendant is remanded into custody.”
This is breaking the law. You have a human right to lawfully go about your business in any public place unless there is some sort of court injunction, which there wasn't. He should file a lawsuit.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 11, 2024 10:34:40 GMT
If he's innocent he should appeal, and use legal aid to cover his appeal.
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Post by ginnyg2 on Aug 11, 2024 12:48:41 GMT
I was casually observing some riots on the telly the other day. Should I expect a visit from the plod?
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Aug 11, 2024 15:50:58 GMT
I was casually observing some riots on the telly the other day. Should I expect a visit from the plod? What you need to realise is that televisions are watching the responses of viewers and notifying the authorities if displays of support for criminal behaviour is observed. Think back about how you reacted to what you saw and get your excuses ready if you in any way expressed support for the rioters or criticised the police. Maybe the above hasn't been set up yet ... but one day the Chinese might provide our authorities with the wherewithal to do so?
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Post by bancroft on Aug 11, 2024 17:25:29 GMT
I see some that were arrested say they were only watching hope they find a way to get justice yet bet they won't.
You always get some, plead guilty and 6 weeks argue and it might be 5 years, this happened to the actor Ricky Tomlinson.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 12, 2024 7:43:19 GMT
So will journalists covering these events also be arrested as observers?
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Post by ginnyg2 on Aug 12, 2024 7:49:05 GMT
So now they are arresting witnesses. Dontcha just love the police!
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 12, 2024 7:59:31 GMT
Casual observer? Did you read your link in full...? Yes I did Did you? Forget the individual but not what the judge said Anybody involving themselves in this type of behaviour, this type of disorder, be an active participant or a curious observer can expect to be, save for the most exceptional circumstances, remanded into custody, and this defendant is remanded into custody.”
He sounds like a tyrant. If I were they, I would start to think along the lines that out of all those who attended the protests, there are going to be some who did not do anything illegal but were punished for their political persuasion. We have a right to a fair trial, as per no detention without trial unless it is a matter of security, i.e. danger to the public. We have a right to freedom of expression and the right to freely move around the country and be treated equally to all others. We can not be discriminated agaisnt by virtue of our political beliefs. The only time in this case where the police and courts actually have any jurisdiction is if it can be proved they were causing public disorder. That would be say like fighting the police, throwing something or setting fire to something. If they were standing there and shouting their political views then that is allowed and protected in law. The whole thing hinges on whether they intended to cause harm and at the same time did some action to this effect. Of course they could legitimately get them on conspiracy if they had not carried out the harm but had planned to by their actions of being equipped with say incendiary devices or knives.
With such an idiot as a judge there will likely be cases where the decision will be struck out by higher court judges. This will have the effect of creating case law to protect the "Far Right". This is how you turn a disaster into a success - lol - a bit of crowd funding I think.
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Post by patman post on Aug 12, 2024 15:13:19 GMT
So will journalists covering these events also be arrested as observers? Depends. Some social media activists — styling themselves citizen journalists — deliberately and belligerently insert themselves into and aggravate situations.
Bona fide journalists could also find themselves in trouble should they ignore police instructions at crime scenes and during violent protests...
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Aug 16, 2024 17:02:29 GMT
So will journalists covering these events also be arrested as observers? Until relatively recently there was a law in Canada that made it a criminal offence for journalists to knowingly publish false information "calculated alarm the public" ... so they had to be careful how they reported police behaviour. Here in the UK in the 80s there was a story about how plain clothes policemen were inciting people to attack the police ... so giving them an excuse to act against the assembled demonstrators.
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