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Post by Pacifico on Aug 12, 2024 22:01:01 GMT
Really? - the Labour Party under Corbyn were found to be incredibly racist. No other major political party has had to deal with an EHRC investigation. Exactly - that's my point. SPs supposition in incorrect. So why would you logically think that no left wing are racist? - is anyone that dumb? SP's point seems to be that nobody has defined what is racist - this is not a question that is unique to him, especially as some on the left want to tar everyone who has a different opinion as racist.
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 12, 2024 23:25:29 GMT
Exactly - that's my point. SPs supposition in incorrect. So why would you logically think that no left wing are racist? - is anyone that dumb? SP's point seems to be that nobody has defined what is racist - this is not a question that is unique to him, especially as some on the left want to tar everyone who has a different opinion as racist. It isn't a case of being stupid, but he referred to racists as being right wing and anti racists being left wing. I'm saying that's not true. I'm not really sure what your point is as you're actually agreeing with me! 🤣
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Post by sandypine on Aug 13, 2024 7:39:37 GMT
We have many protests now as regards smashing racism and stopping racists yet despite politely asking it seems that those who support such sentiments are singularly unable to define what they wish to smash and stand up to. Being of the left they are extremely exercised when in their view racism arises and call out racists at the first opportunity but cannot pinpoint on what basis people are described as racists and what racism actually is that is so unacceptable. They seem to have much support in the country though perhaps they should seek help. I'd suggest that being against racism is not a left / right thing. If it was then you'd come to the logical conclusion that all right wingers are racist and no left wingers are. Of course we know that's not true, so I'm unsure why you're so wedded to this idea? I did not say it was I said those who wish to smash racism (and fascism which is another issue) are unable to define what they wish to smash. I know exactly what racism is and accept the definition, what I cannot understand is on what basis it is carefully coddled in law and in some aspects of life both legally and socially acceptable and for some others it is taken as a moral issue that they must obey on pain of excommunication from polite society and employment. These are generally separated on a left/right basis. In broad terms most on the right know what racism is and cannot accept that racism is being employed as a tool against them and that issue comes from the left. In your own case you call out racism but grudgingly accept racism in law and in academia. The whole issue makes no sense either morally or democratically.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 13, 2024 7:42:09 GMT
Really? - the Labour Party under Corbyn were found to be incredibly racist. No other major political party has had to deal with an EHRC investigation. Exactly - that's my point. SPs supposition in incorrect. I repeat and simplify, anti racism from the left comes hand in hand with racism, anti racism from the right is just anti racism.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 13, 2024 8:03:20 GMT
The left tried to outlaw Christianity in China too, and Falun Gong, and Islam, and all other faiths. There's tonnes of Chinese people in concentration camps because they wanted to have a religion. Christianity is welcome in China and the Chinese represent the world's largest Christian population. It was like this during the days of the Qing where the 12 heads of the Summer Palace were sculptured by Christian missionaries. They were regarded as very special. The only time it was controlled was during the ten years of the cultural revolution. Falun Gong though is a cult. I can understand them banning it and I think I would have banned it if I were in charge. You should not band these facts about willy nilly. It is grossly misleading.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 13, 2024 8:05:52 GMT
Excuses excuses Mao tried to ban it.
Mao murdered millions.
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 13, 2024 8:34:05 GMT
The left tried to outlaw Christianity in China too, and Falun Gong, and Islam, and all other faiths. There's tonnes of Chinese people in concentration camps because they wanted to have a religion. Christianity is welcome in China and the Chinese represent the world's largest Christian population. ... Not true.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 13, 2024 8:40:39 GMT
Christianity is welcome in China and the Chinese represent the world's largest Christian population. ... Not true.
Fair enough. Someone told me that a long time ago, so I will update my brain.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 14, 2024 8:32:56 GMT
It seems it is still too difficult but whatever it is it must be smashed and called out wherever it arises.
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