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Post by sandypine on Aug 11, 2024 10:07:57 GMT
What if you don't actually hate them, but don't want to share your living space with them? Is that racist too? You're an immigrant yourself for goodness sake!!!!! You don't live here any more. You expected other countries to share their living space with you, but don't want the UK to share its living space with skilled brown people? Anyone, so long as they're of good character, with skills and the means to support themselves, is welcome to live and work here as far as I'm concerned. BUT, we need to make sure there are adequate roads, public services (including schools and hospitals), enough houses, and industrial estates.
Therefore there should be a quota.
I do not think that is the question. Is it racist to not want to share your living space with 'diversity'? You may wish and accept all sorts of things the thing is people may disagree and see problems for wishing that. As regards good character we clearly have no idea as regards most of them |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 11, 2024 10:19:48 GMT
...As I intimated in my earlier post, it's not racism as difference that upsets the left, it's racism as superiority/inferiority. You may have a preference for one thing over another thing, but that does not inherently make that for which you have less or no preference inferior to what you prefer. If we are to jettison completely any notion of superiority or inferiority, how do we account for the fact that only people of Western European origin or descent have been able to create and sustain stable, prosperous and orderly societies in which the rule of law prevails and individual rights are paramount?
Or is it even racist to think it let alone say it?
And with regard to preference, is it not telling that in terms of international migration, the flows are overwhelmingly asymmetrical, from the Rest to the West? Hardly anyone moves the other way. So even if we resist the notion that the societies we have created are superior, others are not so hypocritical.
You see that book I quoted above. I just checked one of the other authors. This is how his wiki starts:
He was bloody right as well. Right now the most powerful AI is OpenAI, and guess how they do it? - genetic algorithms.
Ahead of his time or what?
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Post by Vinny on Aug 11, 2024 10:30:56 GMT
Is down the street or in another town / city, in a private property someone sold to an immigrant "your living space?"
Is who a private employer decides to employ, any of "your business"?
We are a free society.
Immigration should be a matter of debate, it should be discussed and I believe it should be controlled.
But I do not believe it should be stopped entirely.
And I will not take the word of a guy who has left this country for overseas and sulked about Brexit, as a case for ending immigration altogether.
The EU has immigration, with no safeguards, Dan doesn't care about that because the majority of those immigrants are white.
I don't care what colour someone is so long as they're not a criminal, have money in case they lose their job, have a job to go to, and behave sociably towards everyone else.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 11, 2024 11:35:41 GMT
Is down the street or in another town / city, in a private property someone sold to an immigrant "your living space?" Is who a private employer decides to employ, any of "your business"? We are a free society. Immigration should be a matter of debate, it should be discussed and I believe it should be controlled. But I do not believe it should be stopped entirely. And I will not take the word of a guy who has left this country for overseas and sulked about Brexit, as a case for ending immigration altogether. The EU has immigration, with no safeguards, Dan doesn't care about that because the majority of those immigrants are white. I don't care what colour someone is so long as they're not a criminal, have money in case they lose their job, have a job to go to, and behave sociably towards everyone else. The government told us it was their business in the 60s and 70s by creating the race laws. It then became illegal to define a living space as selective for one's own ethnicity. At the same time they were bringing in more and more of said different ethnic groups. You might not care but if someone does why is it any of your business or the government's |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 11, 2024 11:57:29 GMT
Is down the street or in another town / city, in a private property someone sold to an immigrant "your living space?" Is who a private employer decides to employ, any of "your business"? We are a free society. Immigration should be a matter of debate, it should be discussed and I believe it should be controlled. But I do not believe it should be stopped entirely. And I will not take the word of a guy who has left this country for overseas and sulked about Brexit, as a case for ending immigration altogether. The EU has immigration, with no safeguards, Dan doesn't care about that because the majority of those immigrants are white. I don't care what colour someone is so long as they're not a criminal, have money in case they lose their job, have a job to go to, and behave sociably towards everyone else. The answer you are looking for is in plain view and has always been so. If you accept the people get the government they deserve, then you only need to look at one of these countries like Iran, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, and many more to see how they are ruled. We only got a light touch because we became a Christian country. These people hate Christianity and want it outlawed and in its place sharia law.
Government is done in the way it is necessary to govern a certain population. We and Western Europe are the odd ones out. It's bad in many places. No one talks about Columbia. There the murder rate is astronomical. It's law of the jungle. If we want to go back to being civilised we need mass deportations. You can hope that you can change these people, but that has been attempted for hundreds of years. The church sent out missionaries all over the world. Where there is a mix of Christians and Muslims, the Muslims murder the Christians wholesale.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 11, 2024 14:28:34 GMT
There should be no segregation, no bullying, no racism, no cultural relativism.
There should be, we're British, like it or lump it.
If you don't want to live as we do don't come here.
Blasphemy is legal in our country. Get over it.
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 11, 2024 14:37:39 GMT
There should be no segregation, no bullying, no racism, no cultural relativism. There should be, we're British, like it or lump it. If you don't want to live as we do don't come here. Blasphemy is legal in our country. Get over it. Communism? |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 11, 2024 16:14:59 GMT
No, communism nationalised everything.
I'm talking omniculturalism, where immigrants have shared values, their children taught the same as ours, their children holding the same values as us.
And the right to blaspheme is more important than someone being offended.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 12, 2024 6:12:32 GMT
There should be no segregation, no bullying, no racism, no cultural relativism. There should be, we're British, like it or lump it. If you don't want to live as we do don't come here. Blasphemy is legal in our country. Get over it. Blasphemy was illegal in this country, but this is what it meant
They removed it because the left as you call them tried to outlaw Christianity, e.g. end its teaching in schools and any other way the state once supported it. This was the first step they needed to accomplish to destroy us: to destroy our morality. Now we have Brit fighting Brit as they play the divide and rule trick on us. It has been going on in this country right through the 20c. Much longer than most imagine. You can verify this by tracing back the various archbishops. They were all of a Fabian type persuasion.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 12, 2024 10:56:17 GMT
The left tried to outlaw Christianity in China too, and Falun Gong, and Islam, and all other faiths.
There's tonnes of Chinese people in concentration camps because they wanted to have a religion.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 12, 2024 18:36:39 GMT
We have many protests now as regards smashing racism and stopping racists yet despite politely asking it seems that those who support such sentiments are singularly unable to define what they wish to smash and stand up to. Being of the left they are extremely exercised when in their view racism arises and call out racists at the first opportunity but cannot pinpoint on what basis people are described as racists and what racism actually is that is so unacceptable. They seem to have much support in the country though perhaps they should seek help.
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 12, 2024 19:28:07 GMT
We have many protests now as regards smashing racism and stopping racists yet despite politely asking it seems that those who support such sentiments are singularly unable to define what they wish to smash and stand up to. Being of the left they are extremely exercised when in their view racism arises and call out racists at the first opportunity but cannot pinpoint on what basis people are described as racists and what racism actually is that is so unacceptable. They seem to have much support in the country though perhaps they should seek help. I'd suggest that being against racism is not a left / right thing. If it was then you'd come to the logical conclusion that all right wingers are racist and no left wingers are. Of course we know that's not true, so I'm unsure why you're so wedded to this idea? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 12, 2024 20:51:48 GMT
You appear to have missed Sandy's point that racism is not a well-defined term much less universally agreed.
Similar comments could be made wrt to the portmanteau term 'hate' which is similarly ill-defined not just in law but also in general usage, particularly when deployed by those of a liberal disposition as well as the legacy media.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 12, 2024 21:10:12 GMT
We have many protests now as regards smashing racism and stopping racists yet despite politely asking it seems that those who support such sentiments are singularly unable to define what they wish to smash and stand up to. Being of the left they are extremely exercised when in their view racism arises and call out racists at the first opportunity but cannot pinpoint on what basis people are described as racists and what racism actually is that is so unacceptable. They seem to have much support in the country though perhaps they should seek help. I'd suggest that being against racism is not a left / right thing. If it was then you'd come to the logical conclusion that all right wingers are racist and no left wingers are. Of course we know that's not true, so I'm unsure why you're so wedded to this idea? Really? - the Labour Party under Corbyn were found to be incredibly racist. No other major political party has had to deal with an EHRC investigation. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 12, 2024 21:33:20 GMT
I'd suggest that being against racism is not a left / right thing. If it was then you'd come to the logical conclusion that all right wingers are racist and no left wingers are. Of course we know that's not true, so I'm unsure why you're so wedded to this idea? Really? - the Labour Party under Corbyn were found to be incredibly racist. No other major political party has had to deal with an EHRC investigation. Exactly - that's my point. SPs supposition in incorrect. |
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