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Post by Vinny on Aug 12, 2024 6:23:50 GMT
Multiculturalism degrades into cultural relativism, it is not harmless. Cultural relativism is that if bigamy is your culture, that's ok, if shariah is your culture that's ok.
If honour killings are your culture, that happens, if murdering gays is your culture, that's going to happen.
There's been murders already.
A shopkeeper in Glasgow was murdered by a Muslim from Bradford who was offended.
There's been honour killings.
Don't try kid me that multiculturalism is harmless. There may be no malice behind the policy but it doesn't work.
Something else is needed.
Separation of religion and society.
Enshrine humanism over theism.
There are those who want a war between the Muslims and the non Muslims. Secularising our country and educating the children of Muslims to value human life and human rights above the ideas of their parents will prevent the formation of extremist religious militias.
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 12, 2024 6:26:43 GMT
I can think for myself, I do not need any political party to tell me, or advise me either how to think, or what to think. There are more people who do not vote Labour who see multiculturlism as a positive thing, than those who vote Labour, like for example the vast majority of Lib Dem voters, most SNP voters, most Plaid and Green voters and a fair amount of Conservative voters. Whether you like it or not Britain has been a multi cultural place ever since people settled on these shores, thousands of years ago. There s hardly a nation in the world that has not had waves of migrants, it was the Turks and Portugese who helped rebuild Germany after the Second World War, it was the Irish who built our railways and sunk our mines. Italians gave us coffee bars, spaghetti houses and family run ice cream businesses, the Jews gave us Fish & Chips. Cultures get mixed together, German customs assimilate into the British way of life, which are then exported via the British Empire to the Americas and Caribbean, which then gets re-exported back to us and then mixed up again. Christmas, Haloween, Music, Food, Customs, Traditions. Culture is not plain and boring or stationary, its not very strictly English only, how fucking boring would that be, God forbid, boiled beef and cabbage for every meal, no Calypso or Gospel, no Pizza or Chicken Madrass, no musical influences, no Polony or interaction with other parts of the world. The alternative to the Multi Cultural way is the American "Melting Pot" where supposedly, cultures simply melt into one. I have a choice, I can go to a Luthran Church, a Gospel Church, an Orthodox Church or an Anglican Church, I can go and see how Ukrainians celebrate Christmas right here in England, I can go to Leicester and see Diwali celebrations, or I can go to a Northern Soul concert and experience how America and Afro-Caribbeans influenced our music. Get with it man No one is saying cultures are stationary, what they are saying is that if Multiculturalism is some form of policy then howsabout asking the people if it is a policy they want. All elections indicated that they did not want large scale immigration or the Multiculturalism that came with it. We do not have to accept that which we were never asked about and never gave our permission for. Imposing on an electorate that which they have plainly stated they do not want is dangerous ground to tread. So multiculturalism in its modern guise is an imposition on the British people against their democratic wishes and against their own cultural values which far from being 'respected' as a culture is actively denigrated as official policy. No way to run a democratic country. There isn't really anything postive to multiculturalism in this country, which is highlighted every day. The world has many cultures but to dump them all into one live culture is cultural genocide, and it will end with rival factions fighting for dominance, which is the case. This is why there are riots and other groups making demands for dominance, and more riots. To tackle that requires extreme authoritarianism, and we know who the likely contenders are. Multiculturalism was an ill-thought out experimental system forced by the Blair government, as I mentioned earlier. It isn't a natural process. Cultures evolve and do adapt and can embrace aspects from other cultures, but they do not destroy themselves willfully with planned authoritarian strikes against those who disagree with the intentional destruction of their way of life. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 12, 2024 8:15:40 GMT
No one is saying cultures are stationary, what they are saying is that if Multiculturalism is some form of policy then howsabout asking the people if it is a policy they want. All elections indicated that they did not want large scale immigration or the Multiculturalism that came with it. We do not have to accept that which we were never asked about and never gave our permission for. Imposing on an electorate that which they have plainly stated they do not want is dangerous ground to tread. So multiculturalism in its modern guise is an imposition on the British people against their democratic wishes and against their own cultural values which far from being 'respected' as a culture is actively denigrated as official policy. No way to run a democratic country. There isn't really anything postive to multiculturalism in this country, which is highlighted every day. The world has many cultures but to dump them all into one live culture is cultural genocide, and it will end with rival factions fighting for dominance, which is the case. This is why there are riots and other groups making demands for dominance, and more riots. To tackle that requires extreme authoritarianism, and we know who the likely contenders are. Multiculturalism was an ill-thought out experimental system forced by the Blair government, as I mentioned earlier. It isn't a natural process. Cultures evolve and do adapt and can embrace aspects from other cultures, but they do not destroy themselves willfully with planned authoritarian strikes against those who disagree with the intentional destruction of their way of life. Blair was the first person I heard use the phrase Multicultural Britain in around 99. It took me by surprise as I had no idea we were multicultural and I did not even know what it was really meant to be up to that point I thought people were in general coming in to be British and take advantage of our cultural norms and living more or less as us. The first eye opener was the Rushdie affair which dented that belief but Blair really took my breath away. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 12, 2024 9:11:13 GMT
Multiculturalism became state policy in Britain well before Blair came on the scene. We could say it was a (perhaps unintended) consequence of the first Race Relations Act that came into effect in 1965, and which introduced the concept of group rights into English and UK law. With that the peculiarly British benign form of Apartheid which came to be referred as Multiculturalism sprang into life.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 12, 2024 9:50:12 GMT
Multiculturalism became state policy in Britain well before Blair came on the scene. We could say it was a (perhaps unintended) consequence of the first Race Relations Act that came into effect in 1965, and which introduced the concept of group rights into English and UK law. With that the peculiarly British benign form of Apartheid which came to be referred as Multiculturalism sprang into life. I would not disagree, my first encounter with the word though as a way to describe what Britain was at the time was with Blair and came as a shock. |
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