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Post by thomas on Aug 8, 2024 7:52:40 GMT
If a brummie who moves to London is still a brummie then a Rwandan who moves to England is still a Rwandan , right ? Yes but if his kin born in Britain hes British no. You dont understand national identity do you? you are conflating national identity , with the right to a piece of paper called a travel document. National identity is formed from family. , environment , ancestry , culture and how you are brought up and interact with those around you. It's a mindset. The Southport killer may or may not have seen himself as British welsh or English or whatever. You dont know. I dont know. National identity has been around far longer than passports and civil servants , and didnt need either to thrive and survive. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 8, 2024 7:58:31 GMT
So let's work this out, the police don't really have a clue when and where the rioters are going to turn up, so every night there are going to be 1000s of ***Asylum Seekers welcome *** marching the streets.
The police can not police communities 24/7, they can't protect individuals, there's a list circulating with addresses of Asylum human rights lawyers, one was being interviewed saying he's closed for business it's not worth risking his families life, Labour culture is to blame for all this, if anyone should be blamed not far-right not the EDL not the peaceful protesters the only ones to blame is Labour.
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 8, 2024 8:10:03 GMT
Yes but if his kin born in Britain hes British no. You dont understand national identity do you? you are conflating national identity , with the right to a piece of paper called a travel document. National identity is formed from family. , environment , ancestry , culture and how you are brought up and interact with those around you. It's a mindset. The Southport killer may or may not have seen himself as British welsh or English or whatever. You dont know. I dont know. National identity has been around far longer than passports and civil servants , and didnt need either to thrive and survive. "National identity is formed from family. , environment , ancestry , culture and how you are brought up and interact with those around you. It's a mindset." And can't the exact same thing be said about class identity? |
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Post by thomas on Aug 8, 2024 8:11:34 GMT
no. You dont understand national identity do you? you are conflating national identity , with the right to a piece of paper called a travel document. National identity is formed from family. , environment , ancestry , culture and how you are brought up and interact with those around you. It's a mindset. The Southport killer may or may not have seen himself as British welsh or English or whatever. You dont know. I dont know. National identity has been around far longer than passports and civil servants , and didnt need either to thrive and survive. "National identity is formed from family. , environment , ancestry , culture and how you are brought up and interact with those around you. It's a mindset." And can't the exact same thing be said about class identity? why do you ask? |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 8, 2024 8:14:08 GMT
So let's work this out, the police don't really have a clue when and where the rioters are going to turn up, so every night there are going to be 1000s of ***Asylum Seekers welcome *** marching the streets. The police can not police communities 24/7, they can't protect individuals, there's a list circulating with addresses of Asylum human rights lawyers, one was being interviewed saying he's closed for business it's not worth risking his families life, Labour culture is to blame for all this, if anyone should be blamed not far-right not the EDL not the peaceful protesters the only ones to blame is Labour. The individuals commiting acts of criminal violence are solely responsible for their actions. The "look what you made me do" argument is intellectually and morally bankrupt regardless of who is using it. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 8, 2024 8:17:10 GMT
So let's work this out, the police don't really have a clue when and where the rioters are going to turn up, so every night there are going to be 1000s of ***Asylum Seekers welcome *** marching the streets. The police can not police communities 24/7, they can't protect individuals, there's a list circulating with addresses of Asylum human rights lawyers, one was being interviewed saying he's closed for business it's not worth risking his families life, Labour culture is to blame for all this, if anyone should be blamed not far-right not the EDL not the peaceful protesters the only ones to blame is Labour. The "look what you made me do" argument is intellectually and morally bankrupt regardless of who is using it. if the majority of the public do not want mass uncontrolled immigration , then what is the intellectual and moral process to stop it? How do they go about it? 80% of the electorate didnt vote for labour , they got a majority labour government. When people are disenfranchised at the ballot box , this is the result. over to you? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 8, 2024 8:17:47 GMT
So let's work this out, the police don't really have a clue when and where the rioters are going to turn up, so every night there are going to be 1000s of ***Asylum Seekers welcome *** marching the streets. The police can not police communities 24/7, they can't protect individuals, there's a list circulating with addresses of Asylum human rights lawyers, one was being interviewed saying he's closed for business it's not worth risking his families life, Labour culture is to blame for all this, if anyone should be blamed not far-right not the EDL not the peaceful protesters the only ones to blame is Labour. Totally agree.
As aside, however I think that this is a good thing: There's a list circulating with addresses of Asylum human rights lawyers.
Good. Their names and addresses should be published. Along with politicians who support illegal immigration. JSO activists and every other person that wants to force their views onto the rest of us.
If they think they're doing nothing wrong then why would they want to hide in the shadows?
Let's get them out in the open and see who they are.
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Post by Orac on Aug 8, 2024 8:25:50 GMT
Yes but if his kin born in Britain hes British no. You dont understand national identity do you? you are conflating national identity , with the right to a piece of paper called a travel document. National identity is formed from family. , environment , ancestry , culture and how you are brought up and interact with those around you. It's a mindset. The Southport killer may or may not have seen himself as British welsh or English or whatever. You dont know. I dont know. National identity has been around far longer than passports and civil servants , and didnt need either to thrive and survive. Well said.. It's a way of tessellating with other humans that is learned in childhood. If other humans have a significantly different pattern, you can't tessellate (ie form society) with them. This is one reason i feel that mass immigration is a deliberate, calculated assault on one society in particular |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 8, 2024 8:26:22 GMT
So let's work this out, the police don't really have a clue when and where the rioters are going to turn up, so every night there are going to be 1000s of ***Asylum Seekers welcome *** marching the streets. The police can not police communities 24/7, they can't protect individuals, there's a list circulating with addresses of Asylum human rights lawyers, one was being interviewed saying he's closed for business it's not worth risking his families life, Labour culture is to blame for all this, if anyone should be blamed not far-right not the EDL not the peaceful protesters the only ones to blame is Labour. Totally agree.
As aside, however I think that this is a good thing: There's a list circulating with addresses of Asylum human rights lawyers.
Good. Their names and addresses should be published. Along with politicians who support illegal immigration. JSO activists and every other person that wants to force their views onto the rest of us.
If they think they're doing nothing wrong then why would they want to hide in the shadows?
Let's get them out in the open and see who they are.
One Lawyer had his business registered at this 'grandmother's' address, now the family are petrified for her ... WTF would he register a business like that at his grandmothers address, probably like the rest of them he'll be using multiple addresses claiming tax payers money representing these illegals, how you know this is all down to Labour because it's got the Human Rights Lawyer's fingerprints all over it ...... Keir Starmer .... the grandmaster of draining tax payer money representing foreign criminals from being deported, Starmer is a filthy dirty scumbag who's enabling criminals to drain the British tax payers. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 8, 2024 8:29:08 GMT
The "look what you made me do" argument is intellectually and morally bankrupt regardless of who is using it. if the majority of the public do not want mass uncontrolled immigration , then what is the intellectual and moral process to stop it? How do they go about it? 80% of the electorate didnt vote for labour , they got a majority labour government. When people are disenfranchised at the ballot box , this is the result. over to you? Do we have uncontrolled immigration? The other 80% could have voted Reform but they got even fewer votes than Labour did. Peaceful protest and political engagement with your local MP are legal options. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 8, 2024 8:29:36 GMT
"National identity is formed from family. , environment , ancestry , culture and how you are brought up and interact with those around you. It's a mindset." And can't the exact same thing be said about class identity? why do you ask? That's what started that conversation. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 8, 2024 8:29:50 GMT
Totally agree.
As aside, however I think that this is a good thing: There's a list circulating with addresses of Asylum human rights lawyers.
Good. Their names and addresses should be published. Along with politicians who support illegal immigration. JSO activists and every other person that wants to force their views onto the rest of us.
If they think they're doing nothing wrong then why would they want to hide in the shadows?
Let's get them out in the open and see who they are.
One Lawyer had his business registered at this 'grandmother's' address, now the family are petrified for her ... WTF would he register a business like that at his grandmothers address, probably like the rest of them he'll be using multiple addresses claiming tax payers money representing these illegals, how you know this is all down to Labour because it's got the Human Rights Lawyer's fingerprints all over it ...... Keir Starmer .... the grandmaster of draining tax payer money representing foreign criminals from being deported, Starmer is a filthy dirty scumbag who's enabling criminals to drain the British tax payers. Exactly. Why use multiple addresses if your business is legit?
Nah, they need to be out in the open.
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Post by thomas on Aug 8, 2024 8:32:24 GMT
no. You dont understand national identity do you? you are conflating national identity , with the right to a piece of paper called a travel document. National identity is formed from family. , environment , ancestry , culture and how you are brought up and interact with those around you. It's a mindset. The Southport killer may or may not have seen himself as British welsh or English or whatever. You dont know. I dont know. National identity has been around far longer than passports and civil servants , and didnt need either to thrive and survive. Well said.. It's a way of tessellating with other humans that is learned in childhood. If other humans have a significantly different pattern, you can't tessellate (ie form society) with them. This is one reason i feel that mass immigration is a deliberate, calculated assault on one society in particular ive never understood why people conflate national identity with a travel document. It goes against everything ive learned over the years about nationality , and identity . totally agree with your post. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 8, 2024 8:35:03 GMT
So let's work this out, the police don't really have a clue when and where the rioters are going to turn up, so every night there are going to be 1000s of ***Asylum Seekers welcome *** marching the streets. The police can not police communities 24/7, they can't protect individuals, there's a list circulating with addresses of Asylum human rights lawyers, one was being interviewed saying he's closed for business it's not worth risking his families life, Labour culture is to blame for all this, if anyone should be blamed not far-right not the EDL not the peaceful protesters the only ones to blame is Labour. Totally agree.
As aside, however I think that this is a good thing: There's a list circulating with addresses of Asylum human rights lawyers.
Good. Their names and addresses should be published. Along with politicians who support illegal immigration. JSO activists and every other person that wants to force their views onto the rest of us.
If they think they're doing nothing wrong then why would they want to hide in the shadows?
Let's get them out in the open and see who they are.
You don't think far right thugs committing acts of criminal violence are trying to force their views on us? A Lawyers job is to represent, everyone is entitled to legal representation in this country and a lawyer doesn't necessarily represent the views of the people they represent. Would you put the lawyer who represented Ian Huntley in the same bracket as him? If you don't like our laws and customs there are other options available to you. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 8, 2024 8:36:16 GMT
no. You dont understand national identity do you? you are conflating national identity , with the right to a piece of paper called a travel document. National identity is formed from family. , environment , ancestry , culture and how you are brought up and interact with those around you. It's a mindset. The Southport killer may or may not have seen himself as British welsh or English or whatever. You dont know. I dont know. National identity has been around far longer than passports and civil servants , and didnt need either to thrive and survive. "National identity is formed from family. , environment , ancestry , culture and how you are brought up and interact with those around you. It's a mindset." And can't the exact same thing be said about class identity? If ( according to you) class identity is the same as national identity and class identity stays with the individual no matter what the situation then the second generation Rwandan migrant that butchered 3 little white girls is Rwandan. You have been arguing against this over several threads but now it seems you agree with the far right rioters . |
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