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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 9, 2024 11:12:46 GMT
No. It has no relevance to the topic.
If you don't pipe down and stop pestering me I'll report you.
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Post by Bentley on Aug 9, 2024 11:17:08 GMT
Well it’s pretty obvious that the state is trying to destroy national identity , sexual identity and racial identity . lefties in particular want to demonise , Christianity, white people and older people. Of you you destroy identity then you destroy the person . If I wanted to destroy society in order to reconstruct it . That’s what I would do . It’s a tried and tested method . I think the process is very apparent, but in knowing that we're not any closer to understanding why it is happening and how it all came about in the first place. There are a number of theories about that, so what's yours? Elite groups have endeavoured to destroy the identity of ethnic majorities to subdue them and make them more easy to control in the past . That might give us a clue. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 9, 2024 11:18:43 GMT
You mean like the British in India? Is that what they did to gain control of the subcontinent?
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Post by Vinny on Aug 9, 2024 11:25:54 GMT
Your topic assumes the culture of every ethnic. Doesn't it?
You assume black / Asian = Muslim.
Obviously a lot are, but not all.
And playing into the hands of extremists helps nobody.
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Post by Bentley on Aug 9, 2024 11:35:13 GMT
You mean like the British in India? Is that what they did to gain control of the subcontinent? . Afaik the Indians were never forced to relinquish their culture, ethnicity or language . Im thinking of the Americas , USSR ,Tibet …. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 9, 2024 11:42:20 GMT
Yes what you say is true for the masses, however there is little doubt the British did co-opt the Indian elites into their project. Not unlike what has happened with our own elites since, say, WWII.
But at least the aims, objectives and methodologies of the British Raj were overt, unlike the transformation underway today in the West, the UK in particular.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Aug 11, 2024 6:08:54 GMT
The notion that there has been, and continues to be, a conspiracy to transform not just the UK but all western liberal democracies into multiracial societies in which the native population is just another one of many minorities or 'communities' seems to be a popular one with the membership. What is lacking though is any insight into who, or what is driving the process and the historical background to it.In that respect I welcome Dubdrifters contribution. At least David Starkey is a distinguished historian, albeit one cancelled by the wokerati for his non-approved attitudes towards minorities and currently fashionable shibboleths. Vinny, as usual, simply spouts cartoonish banalities. I thought the Membership was aware now of the historical Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan that emerged around the beginning of the 1900 linked to Rothschild/Zionist Family faction manipulation … that fully explained the goals behind the EU expansionist Project? The Zionist-controlled Press naturally dismissed it as a Far Right Conspiracy … and refused to let us even discuss the Theory … as this C-K Foundation handed out their Awards, elevated promotion and secret funding to all those EU Leaders that broke EU borders, accelerated attacks on immigrant’s homelands post-9/11… and then made excuses to fast-track ship, bus and fly in a mix of good, bad … and downright very ugly criminal/terrorist immigrants totally incompatible with indigenous European Law and Order. It’s all under the umbrella of Religious agitation … or haven’t you worked that out yet? Oh I'll condemn religious trouble makers, but haven't you worked out, you're one yourself? You follow the new age religion of the tin foil hat conspiracy theorists whilst absolutely ignoring real conspiracies!!! Conspiracy FACTISTS were never a ‘Religion’ with any REAL money or power … they were just a group of independent FREEDOM FIGHTERS/FREE SPEECHERS with some very good researchers … who dug out FACTS that exposed the hidden Globalist eastern expansionist CIA/NATO/George Soros/Zionist/Islamic Agendas pushing for World Domination - and possibly eradication of life on this Planet (if you follow the madness of the Bill Gates Posse/Green scientist’s geo-weathering programmes) …. Have these researchers the influence that could shift the hidden Deep STATE apparatus to be dismantled? … and a clean broom applied to sweep away the Zionist/Islamic Nazis that got into every crevice of our Establishment … and brain-washed it into ‘compliance’ … to kill us all in nuclear/viral/chemical attacks as they hide in their SECRETLY prepped DUMBS … …. We will have to wait and see?? The notion that there has been, and continues to be, a conspiracy to transform not just the UK but all western liberal democracies into multiracial societies in which the native population is just another one of many minorities or 'communities' seems to be a popular one with the membership. What is lacking though is any insight into who, or what is driving the process and the historical background to it. In that respect I welcome Dubdrifters contribution. At least David Starkey is a distinguished historian, albeit one cancelled by the wokerati for his non-approved attitudes towards minorities and currently fashionable shibboleths. Vinny, as usual, simply spouts cartoonish banalities. Well it’s pretty obvious that the state is trying to destroy national identity , sexual identity and racial identity . lefties in particular want to demonise , Christianity, white people and older people. Of you you destroy identity then you destroy the person . If I wanted to destroy society in order to reconstruct it . That’s what I would do . It’s a tried and tested method . Surely it’s only those with the money and ‘mafia-like’ grip on World Power that do the destroying here? … that doesn’t lie in the STATE apparatus … which is now pretty ‘bankrupt’ in the WEST today … so naturally our Parliaments KOWTOW to the REAL STATELESS MONEYMEN behind the scenes manipulating … The Black Ops people who have Globalist reach and links to powerful Religious Cartels(Black Rock/Vanguard etc) … have tentacles hidden within Deep State. … Now THEY have UNLIMITED FUNDING and POWER at their disposal …. but naming and isolating them … taking them out … is another matter entirely. ….but there are Forces out there that can help us with that issue. … if scientists and communicators outside the MSM help us establish they exist … and Peace Advocates/Diplomats emerge … that can build a Network to PEACE TALKS on ALL FRONTS. A 180° swing in the polar opposite direction NATO and it’s Zionist/Islamic war-mongers are taking us. 🤔👍 |
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 11, 2024 6:38:39 GMT
A terrific article on the Unherd site - which also, surprisingly, appears in a slightly shorter version in today’s Times – provides a highly coherent analysis of the background to the current ‘riots’ and the state’s response to them.
Everyone, whether ‘leftie liberals’ or ‘far-right fascists’ or anyone between those two extremes, will benefit from a close reading since, in my view, the article has great explanatory power.
The article starts as follows, citing a recent example of the lengths to which the British state will go to avoid what has become its greatest nightmare – the prospect of violent ‘intercommunal’ strife between the majority Native British and other ethnic groups who are part of what it now terms ‘the global majority’ (the terms BME/BAME now being officially taboo). Following the Manchester Arena bombing in 2017, the aftermath, like those of other recent terrorist atrocities, was marked by what later revealed to be a coordinated British government policy of “controlled spontaneity”. Pre-planned vigils and inter-faith events were rolled out, and people handed out flowers “in apparently unprompted gestures of love and support” as part of an information operation “to shape public responses, encouraging individuals to focus on empathy for the victims and a sense of unity with strangers, rather than reacting with violence and anger”. If anyone is unsure about how and why ‘controlled spontaneity’ came to be the state’s default response to terrorist atrocities – and even seemingly events like Southport officially deemed to be unrelated to terrorism – there is a handy refresher here. More later. Is there any evidence to back up this claim of state-sponsored "controlled spontaneity" DD?. If true it's dynamite. |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 11, 2024 6:53:09 GMT
In our country are Saudi Arabian sponsored Salafist clerics, mosques and bookshops.
There has been bullying by Salafists, there have been honour killings, rape gangs and terrorists including the thugs who blew themselves up on the London transport network in 2005.
There was an assault last weekend at the clumsy Swan pub in Birmingham which left a man with a lacerated liver, by Salafists.
The Ariana Grande bomber was a Salafist.
The 19 airline hijackers on the 11th September 2001 were Salafists.
Hamas are Salafists.
See the pattern?
Salafism is a violent and murderous form of Islam promoted by the Saudi Arabian dictatorship. It is not addressed by our politicians out of sheer fear.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Aug 11, 2024 7:15:51 GMT
Yes what you say is true for the masses, however there is little doubt the British did co-opt the Indian elites into their project. Not unlike what has happened with our own elites since, say, WWII. But at least the aims, objectives and methodologies of the British Raj were overt, unlike the transformation underway today in the West, the UK in particular. Very good point … and that is because we don’t have a truly FREELY INDEPENDENT PRESS … which has hidden from us the true nature of this Globalist Pogrom. It’s ironic that the Establishment back in the days of REAL British Colonial POWER … dragged Clive and the East India Company over the coals for their behaviour around the Globe … over slavery, suppression and exploitation. Alas, the Establishment no longer has the moral integrity to call out the new Slave Masters of today. .… The British were invited in by the Indian Moguls … and the British Armies/engineers/technologists and pioneers were used by Globalist traders to build their wealth and power … whilst the indigenous British complained back home over a battering in reputation in the World MSM over the atrocities committed. Meanwhile Globalists scuttled off with the wealth and their reputations untarnished. Today the boot is on the other foot … and the cycle repeats … highly educated (pretty racist)Indian Moguls have been invited to flood into the WEST … and take over … and bully WEF/Globalist Religious C-K Agendas …. … we are ALL labelled “FAR RIGHT for complaining as ‘rioters and anarchists’ move in … Globalists now push to shut down social media … remove our Right to FREE SPEECH…. protest voices removed. … a dangerous attack on our UK FREEDOMS. The new FASCIST NATURE of European Parliaments today. … don’t say we didn’t warn you who was the main ‘destroyer of Worlds’ … (Oppenheimer) |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 11, 2024 7:28:51 GMT
Says the supporter of illegal wars, land thefts, anti-Semitism and dictatorships.
Utter hypocrisy.
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 11, 2024 7:51:31 GMT
A terrific article on the Unherd site - which also, surprisingly, appears in a slightly shorter version in today’s Times – provides a highly coherent analysis of the background to the current ‘riots’ and the state’s response to them.
Everyone, whether ‘leftie liberals’ or ‘far-right fascists’ or anyone between those two extremes, will benefit from a close reading since, in my view, the article has great explanatory power.
The article starts as follows, citing a recent example of the lengths to which the British state will go to avoid what has become its greatest nightmare – the prospect of violent ‘intercommunal’ strife between the majority Native British and other ethnic groups who are part of what it now terms ‘the global majority’ (the terms BME/BAME now being officially taboo). Following the Manchester Arena bombing in 2017, the aftermath, like those of other recent terrorist atrocities, was marked by what later revealed to be a coordinated British government policy of “controlled spontaneity”. Pre-planned vigils and inter-faith events were rolled out, and people handed out flowers “in apparently unprompted gestures of love and support” as part of an information operation “to shape public responses, encouraging individuals to focus on empathy for the victims and a sense of unity with strangers, rather than reacting with violence and anger”. If anyone is unsure about how and why ‘controlled spontaneity’ came to be the state’s default response to terrorist atrocities – and even seemingly events like Southport officially deemed to be unrelated to terrorism – there is a handy refresher here. More later. Is there any evidence to back up this claim of state-sponsored "controlled spontaneity" DD?. If true it's dynamite. I put a link in the last paragraph of the OP as in 'handy refresher here' but for some reason it doesn't work. So here is the complete link again:
I do recall brief mention at the time of the reports of the '100 Imams' in the legacy media.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 11, 2024 8:15:42 GMT
Is there any evidence to back up this claim of state-sponsored "controlled spontaneity" DD?. If true it's dynamite. I put a link in the last paragraph of the OP as in 'handy refresher here' but for some reason it doesn't work. So here is the complete link again:
I do recall brief mention at the time of the reports of the '100 Imams' in the legacy media.
Although I was not aware it was a government organised response I think that most people realise that the spontaneous outpourings of togetherness are effectively bollocks and go no way to solving the problems inherent in a Multicultural society that no one voted for, no one proposed as a public policy and yet have been dynamically implemented by forces largely hidden. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 11, 2024 8:55:38 GMT
The MME article describes it as an 'anaesthetic for the wider community', which I think is quite apt.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 11, 2024 9:05:13 GMT
Expecting Salafists to reform themselves by themselves is like expecting celibacy from nonces and trusting nonces. It just doesn't work.
It needs to be confronted. People who believe in killing unbelievers, apostates, blasphemers need to be locked up.
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