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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 3, 2022 10:38:09 GMT
Because you wasnt from Carlifornia you was born in Manchester England I think . Where has this lady was born in london England . Most Americans can't place regional English accents (not that mine is particularly broad) and tend to assume that anyone who doesn't speak like Prince Charles can't be English so the default assumption is usually Australian. Do you take offence at that? Someway denying your Englishness |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 3, 2022 10:50:41 GMT
Take offence? Not in the slightest. Why should I? There's nothing wrong with being Australian.
Mind you if I'd turned up at a function in full bush clobber, complete with too-short shorts, desert boots, black socks, bush jacket and hat with corks dangling from the brim I'd probably have been a bit miffed too if somebody saw through my masquerade and refused to accept I was a genuine ocker.
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Post by zanygame on Dec 3, 2022 10:56:28 GMT
Because you wasnt from Carlifornia you was born in Manchester England I think . Where has this lady was born in london England . The question is why is asking what part of Africa you originate is considered an insult so grave someone should lose their job? Why is where your family came from so embarrassing. And if you were Born here why not say , my mum and dad were South African. Why is that so awful. And if your Mum and dad were born in the UK, say so. Why is it such a dreadful thing to ask. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 3, 2022 11:48:12 GMT
Because you wasnt from Carlifornia you was born in Manchester England I think . Where has this lady was born in london England . The question is why is asking what part of Africa you originate is considered an insult so grave someone should lose their job? Why is where your family came from so embarrassing. And if you were Born here why not say , my mum and dad were South African. Why is that so awful. And if your Mum and dad were born in the UK, say so. Why is it such a dreadful thing to ask. It isn't. It's just more fauxtrage from the professionally offended.
In a sensible society Marlene and her ilk would be told to fuck off.
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Post by Handyman on Dec 3, 2022 12:07:33 GMT
Apparently, she supports Harry and Megan and the rumours of racism by the Royal Family towards Megan, the truth will out as they say, I thought I read a few days ago that she didn't think Harry and Megan would stay together. I don't think they will stay together she is a control freak IMO |
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Post by patman post on Dec 3, 2022 12:14:08 GMT
Aren’t you included in “everyone”? Judging by the comments here, blowing out of proportion could apply both ways. Would the Palace really get rid of their Meeter and Greeter so rapidly if there hadn’t been a case to answer? But as you point out, it’s “context”, and the Wales’s are on a visit to a friendly country, and are in danger of being upstaged by others who have dared complain about their treatment at the hands of the Palace — not a good start to regime change in the monarchy, is it…? She was not a meeter and greeter she used to help the late Queen with her correspondence one of the late Queens close friend and companion, as far as I am aware no longer working officially for the Crown probably simply invited as a family friend, I expects others to were invited as well. Racism is not acceptable in any form as far as I am concerned, sadly some people use it as a weapon to silence others, I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone that has not been racially abused at some time or another over the years. I have my wife who is white has because she is not English, it not just people of colour that are victims of racism some of them that have met or worked with over the years are out and out racists. Harry's wife is of mixed race, but only she identifies herself as black instead of mixed race ask yourself why ? . What was said by the old woman and interpreted as racist IMO by a racist has nothing to do with the Royal Family If “the old woman” was invited only as a family friend, as wasn’t assisting at the function, then what did she “resign” from or what position was she fired from — family friend or palace aide? And The Palace establishment obviously believes that anything said or done by aides at functions inspired by, or headed by, the King’s consort has a lot to do with the Royal Family. It seems obvious that ”Harry’s wife” prefers to be associated with her mother and her heritage, rather than her father and that side of her family… |
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Post by Orac on Dec 3, 2022 12:23:02 GMT
But the question I really want answered is why its insulting to ask what country someone's family originates from. You can do this by placing yourself in the other person's shoes and being honest. If you are honest you get the right answer. If you were a second generation immigrant to Nigeria, would you be offended, or feel attacked, if someone enquired about your obvious European origins? My answer is absolutely no. In fact, I would class anyone who took genuine offence at such curiosity, or interpreted it as an attack, as having mental problems. But let's change things slightly so it more accurately maps to the real scenario If you were (say) a second generation immigrant to Nigeria and you presented yourself to some social occasion dressed as William Shakespeare or in a European, medieval suit of armour, would you be outraged and offended if someone asked where you were from? What we are looking at here is outright and deliberate abuse (performed by the complainant). |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 3, 2022 14:56:50 GMT
The question is why is asking what part of Africa you originate is considered an insult so grave someone should lose their job? Why is where your family came from so embarrassing. And if you were Born here why not say , my mum and dad were South African. Why is that so awful. And if your Mum and dad were born in the UK, say so. Why is it such a dreadful thing to ask. It isn't. It's just more fauxtrage from the professionally offended.
In a sensible society Marlene and her ilk would be told to fuck off.
Well you know I'm the other side of the fence to you on this subject normally, but in this case we agree entirely. Its gone too far and got ridiculous. |
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Post by Handyman on Dec 3, 2022 14:57:05 GMT
She was not a meeter and greeter she used to help the late Queen with her correspondence one of the late Queens close friend and companion, as far as I am aware no longer working officially for the Crown probably simply invited as a family friend, I expects others to were invited as well. Racism is not acceptable in any form as far as I am concerned, sadly some people use it as a weapon to silence others, I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone that has not been racially abused at some time or another over the years. I have my wife who is white has because she is not English, it not just people of colour that are victims of racism some of them that have met or worked with over the years are out and out racists. Harry's wife is of mixed race, but only she identifies herself as black instead of mixed race ask yourself why ? . What was said by the old woman and interpreted as racist IMO by a racist has nothing to do with the Royal Family If “the old woman” was invited only as a family friend, as wasn’t assisting at the function, then what did she “resign” from or what position was she fired from — family friend or palace aide? And The Palace establishment obviously believes that anything said or done by aides at functions inspired by, or headed by, the King’s consort has a lot to do with the Royal Family. It seems obvious that ”Harry’s wife” prefers to be associated with her mother and her heritage, rather than her father and that side of her family… It appears you have not read the reports in the media Lady Hussey was a Lady in Waiting to the late Queen for 60 years a very close friend of HM and her family, now at her age she simply has the title of Lady in Waiting now an" Honorary Title" not working for the Royal Family any longer but still a friend of the family, she has resigned the title now, did she do it of her volition or was she pushed ? you tell me I'll let you guess about the Kings Consort Camilla which bit of she is married to the King which bit do you not understand she is part of the Royal family? it appears to me Lady Hussey was a guest as a family friend hardly surprising given why the party was held As for Megan Harrys wife a rather self-centred ex soft porn star who likes to get her way, if not she sulks, she wears the trousers not Harry he does as he is told |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 3, 2022 15:01:01 GMT
She was not a meeter and greeter she used to help the late Queen with her correspondence one of the late Queens close friend and companion, as far as I am aware no longer working officially for the Crown probably simply invited as a family friend, I expects others to were invited as well. Racism is not acceptable in any form as far as I am concerned, sadly some people use it as a weapon to silence others, I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone that has not been racially abused at some time or another over the years. I have my wife who is white has because she is not English, it not just people of colour that are victims of racism some of them that have met or worked with over the years are out and out racists. Harry's wife is of mixed race, but only she identifies herself as black instead of mixed race ask yourself why ? . What was said by the old woman and interpreted as racist IMO by a racist has nothing to do with the Royal Family So my question to you is. Would you find being asked what country you came from an insult even if the answer was Britain and they really meant your country of family origin? |
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Post by Handyman on Dec 3, 2022 15:21:05 GMT
No why would I, it appears that the elderly lady did not make herself clear or was confused, as has already been stated she may well have the onset of Dementia as asking the same question several times or tell the same story over and over again, it's a gradual process the last person to know is the person who is suffering from Dementia
It can be annoying but anyone with any people skills at all should have the intelligence to notice such a condition and understand the difficulty a person has in communicating at times, which will only get worse with the passing of time
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 3, 2022 15:34:01 GMT
It isn't. It's just more fauxtrage from the professionally offended.
In a sensible society Marlene and her ilk would be told to fuck off.
Well you know I'm the other side of the fence to you on this subject normally...
Blimey, I never had you down as a racist.
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 3, 2022 15:52:16 GMT
Yes. I hadn’t followed any of the detail and frankly didn’t really bother much about this UNTIL I picked up on the fact she records her ‘conversations’. Several red flags there I think. Where did you pick up the fact she records her conversations .iv not seen it in any msm only on here and rasicst jerks like farage. what she did do what i think was wrong mention the conversation on social media . but cant you remember a conversation word by word without recording it i know i can. I’m damn sure I saw HER quoted by one of the ‘mass media’ pages that were SO happy to bullshit us and conceal her motives as saying she found it ‘necessary’ to record conversations she has. I’ll see if I can find it, but as I think I said I gave this story fuck all notice and even less credence I’ll need to hunt through my browser history a bit … |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 3, 2022 16:07:15 GMT
No why would I, it appears that the elderly lady did not make herself clear or was confused, as has already been stated she may well have the onset of Dementia as asking the same question several times or tell the same story over and over again, it's a gradual process the last person to know is the person who is suffering from Dementia It can be annoying but anyone with any people skills at all should have the intelligence to notice such a condition and understand the difficulty a person has in communicating at times, which will only get worse with the passing of time I tried an experiment on my wife. I got her to ask me where I came from. I answered 'my mother and father' Then she asked 'No, I mean where were you born' I answered 'Mill road maternity hospital' No she said 'I meant which town' I replied, 'why do you keep asking the same question, I've already told you' In my opinion this is pretty much what happened to the poor old lady on the day. She clearly meant whereabouts in Africa do you hail from, but got a series of evasive answers. Being an elderly lady she didn't realise she was being played by a skilled manipulator. What I find saddest is not that this charity worker is so uncharitable but that the royal family are so weak. |
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Post by Orac on Dec 3, 2022 16:15:13 GMT
What I find saddest is not that this charity worker is so uncharitable but that the royal family are so weak. Indeed. It's not as if they realistically have to worry about losing their 'job' It represents a level of personal cowardice an order of magnitude greater than that displayed by typical cowards. All they would be risking is having to briefly defend common sense in public. So spineless, they can't even manage that |
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