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Post by jaydee on Oct 16, 2022 9:58:36 GMT
Alba was born out of the anti Salmond crusade of the upper echelons of the SNP' The bile from the SNP towards Alba has been an eye opener. They say that Alba wants to split the Independence vote but the evidence shows otherwise. In 2021 Alba supporters were urged to vote SNP 1 and Alba 2. The reasoning was simple: the SNP was the only Independence party that could win FPTP seats and Alba fully recognised the fact. Another fact was that the SNP being very successful in the constituencies were not going to win many list seats. And so it turned out - 2 seats for over 1 million votes, an abysmal return . Alba had asked SNP supporters to back them on the list to ensure an Independence super majority. The SNP would not play ball and the inevitable happened. You have me lost. The hard fact remains that complaints were received by the Scottish government that could not be ignored or swept under the carpet. Complaints must be investigated without fear or favour. And reported to the Police. In short that would be what you and I have been accusing the Tory's of. Sweeping it under the carpet. How long do you think the First minister would have lasted if she did that. Let me answer. The following mornings MSM rabid rants. And Alba was born out of Salmonid resigning from the SNP. Making it clear he would rejoin if he was found not guilty. That was the correct and honourable thing to do. The First minister has made it perfectly clear that Mr Salmond’s reentry to the SNP would be “automatic” as he resigned. And found not guilty on all charges. So you tell me how he did not rejoin as he said he would. What exactly was his problem. In terms of voting. How does the SNP tell anyone to vote. It is against the Representation of the Peoples Act. It is clear the Greens who support indy picked up votes. That is good as any majority. Mr Salmond is now at his conference where he is insisting that Holyrood introducing a indyref bill immediately. What his point is defies the hell out of me. It seems to me he is asking the First Minister to declare a Unilateral declaration of Independence. That would go down like a lead balloon. Like Rhodesia It seems to me the First Minister has made it clear. Either way a referendum will happen. So called legal or illegal. That is immaterial as it is the result will count. Then on the next Scottish election. Will be a defacto result on the will of the Scottish people. If Mr Salmond had indy at heart. He and the likes of McCaskill will rejoin the SNP. Both are big hitters. It is like going back to the days of Jim Sillars and Margo Macdonald. In the case of MacDonald. There is no doubting her heart was SNP. In the case of Sillars. He was out and out deranged loopy screw ball Labour. Why he joined the SNP defies the hell out of me. The point I am trying to make. If the policy of those two for Scotland to go its merry way was listened to. Scotland would not even have a devolved Parliament. Your rhetoric of SNP boot boys is not helping either. The reason no Alba member was elected. Was the voter. Not the SNP. Now I am sure you have a point. But I am damned if I can see it. I expect the phrase SNP boot boys to come from little Englander Tory's or Brit nats. Not a supporter of independence |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2022 7:59:45 GMT
The English always tried to use divide and rule against the Scots (and many other nations), don't let them have any power over there, let's hope the Tories, Labour and LDs get trounced in Scotland next election. Starmer said no referendum for the Scots, so did Corbyn, the LDs would probably overturn any Scot IndyRef even if it went against them just as with Brexit, so let's hope they all lose and the SNP and maybe Alba gain even more seats. IIRC, the last round of polling showed an almost total wipeout for Labour in Scotland, which they absolutely deserve.
LOL, they are "99% certain" that Lab will be the biggest party in the next election in Westminster.
Trussed is so fecked.
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Post by morayloon on Oct 24, 2022 15:25:21 GMT
Alba was born out of the anti Salmond crusade of the upper echelons of the SNP' The bile from the SNP towards Alba has been an eye opener. They say that Alba wants to split the Independence vote but the evidence shows otherwise. In 2021 Alba supporters were urged to vote SNP 1 and Alba 2. The reasoning was simple: the SNP was the only Independence party that could win FPTP seats and Alba fully recognised the fact. Another fact was that the SNP being very successful in the constituencies were not going to win many list seats. And so it turned out - 2 seats for over 1 million votes, an abysmal return . Alba had asked SNP supporters to back them on the list to ensure an Independence super majority. The SNP would not play ball and the inevitable happened. You have me lost. The hard fact remains that complaints were received by the Scottish government that could not be ignored or swept under the carpet. Complaints must be investigated without fear or favour. And reported to the Police. In short that would be what you and I have been accusing the Tory's of. Sweeping it under the carpet. How long do you think the First minister would have lasted if she did that. Let me answer. The following mornings MSM rabid rants. And Alba was born out of Salmonid resigning from the SNP. Making it clear he would rejoin if he was found not guilty. That was the correct and honourable thing to do. The First minister has made it perfectly clear that Mr Salmond’s reentry to the SNP would be “automatic” as he resigned. And found not guilty on all charges. So you tell me how he did not rejoin as he said he would. What exactly was his problem. In terms of voting. How does the SNP tell anyone to vote. It is against the Representation of the Peoples Act. It is clear the Greens who support indy picked up votes. That is good as any majority You are right. Of course complaints must be looked into and the perpetrator taken to court. However, some of the charges were pretty flimsy and ridiculous. Their solicitor & advocate must have known how weak the case was yet they ploughed on. The legal team cast the net widely, seemingly in the hope that something would stick. Nothing did. On all charges, bar one which was not proven, Salmond was found not guilty. The outcome strongly suggests that the women involved were somewhat economical with the truth. They have been provided with anonymity as if they were the wronged people: Craig Murray was jailed for supposed 'Jigsaw Identification' of the women and one man was jailed for actually naming them. AS has been demonised over the affair yet he has suffered from 'no smoke without fire' accusations. The lengths to which the SNP went to get Samond out of the way, was reason enough for his decision not to rejoin. After all, the people who were behind the attacks on Salmond, Murray and even WoS, were still in major roles within the party. As for 'telling people how to vote', the SNP may not have 'told' anyone but the hint was dropped in dramatically during the campaign and was repeated time and again. Over a million votes were wasted. Yes, the Greens got their 8 seats but the pro Independence side could have won more seats had the punters listened to Salmond rather than Sturgeon. I am just saying it is a two edged sword. There are accusations being flung in both directions. The SNP were better at getting their message accepted than Alba was their's. The fact is that I and most other Alba members, as far as I know, backed the SNP in the constituency vote. It would have been good if that action was reciprocated by the SNP and its followers |
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Post by jaydee on Oct 25, 2022 8:46:53 GMT
You are right. Of course complaints must be looked into and the perpetrator taken to court. However, some of the charges were pretty flimsy and ridiculous. Their solicitor & advocate must have known how weak the case was yet they ploughed on. The legal team cast the net widely, seemingly in the hope that something would stick. Nothing did. On all charges, bar one which was not proven, Salmond was found not guilty. The outcome strongly suggests that the women involved were somewhat economical with the truth. They have been provided with anonymity as if they were the wronged people: Craig Murray was jailed for supposed 'Jigsaw Identification' of the women and one man was jailed for actually naming them. AS has been demonised over the affair yet he has suffered from 'no smoke without fire' accusations. The lengths to which the SNP went to get Samond out of the way, was reason enough for his decision not to rejoin. After all, the people who were behind the attacks on Salmond, Murray and even WoS, were still in major roles within the party. As for 'telling people how to vote', the SNP may not have 'told' anyone but the hint was dropped in dramatically during the campaign and was repeated time and again. Over a million votes were wasted. Yes, the Greens got their 8 seats but the pro Independence side could have won more seats had the punters listened to Salmond rather than Sturgeon. I am just saying it is a two edged sword. There are accusations being flung in both directions. The SNP were better at getting their message accepted than Alba was their's. The fact is that I and most other Alba members, as far as I know, backed the SNP in the constituency vote. It would have been good if that action was reciprocated by the SNP and its followers Let's get the ducks in order. As you know at one time I was a card carrying Scottish Conservative. Both of us have had our run in's on that one. At that time Labour was all powerful in Scotland and a Conservative vote was wasted. I like many others in Scotland voted SNP to get Labour out. It worked and they have been destroyed north of the border since. Despite being Conservative I was a supporter, like many others for Scotland going its merry way. That as you know came to a abrupt end when David Cameron stood on the steps of Number 10, as the result of the last indy ref was known, and announced EVEL. Making me and the Scots second hand citizen. You and I know. FFA was expected. I am now SNP and no longer trust the wankers in Westminster. They are no longer Conservatives. They are simply little Englander UKIP thinking right wing hate filled fascists. There supporters are abundant on here. Spewing the hate they get fed. As you have seen since that indy ref day. Westminster has just become a muppet show and that party is now totally ungovernable and a divided shambles. The joke of the world. The point I am trying to make is this. I do not care how Scotlands goes its merry way. Whatever it takes I will do. Even vote Labour. Now without doubt Mr Salmond is and still is the biggest hitter the SNP have had. From my point of view and what I see. He has some sort of ego problem. I see his latest one is against the BBC because Alba did not get him some press time. Ofcom rules are specific. What a man of his professional ability was on about. I have no idea. At the end of the day the SNP are not going to go over to Mr Salmond. He will have to swallow whatever his problem is and rejoin the SNP. Along with his members. His beef against the First Minister seems to me, she would not under any circumstances use her office to protect him against the allegations made by several woman. It is immaterial how flimsy any allegation was. That was a matter for the police and sorted out in due course of law. He has been found not guilty. That means what it says on the can. There is no reasdon why he cannot rejoin. In simple terms. This split is exactly the same as what is happening to the despotic morons in Westminster. It is clear the SNP have the size, the momentum and money to field what is required. And the best thing Alba can do for the next 2 years or so. Is to put that party on hold, kiss, cuddle and forget difference and rejoin the SNP. At the moment it is a gift to Unionists'. it is all they have, and of course a cock up on a ferry contract to attack. Once Scotland goes its merry way. They can do what they want. In my case. If the Scottish Conservatives go back to the likes of Ken Clark or Rory Stuart Conservativism. I will rejoin. There is not a chance in hell could I go along with that absolute muppet of wasted space. D.Ross. The epitome of the branch office patsy. To me a arsehole, licking the arse of arseholes. In simplistic terms it is a case of unite or lose the next vote on indy. Both Mr Salmond and the FM will be a powerful force in unity. The election result both have won, are evidence to that. In short if the SNP were UK wide and the Scottish results applied to Westminster. They would have won 550 of the 650 seats. That is the scale of the achievement in Scotland. |
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