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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 2, 2024 12:12:11 GMT
I don't think so. He only won because most people didn't vote and Labour are very good at getting their vote out. Yet he still got only 20% of the vote.
So many people are furious at not only this ridiculous attack on indigenous British people - and the defence of muslims because they need their vote - but also the complete rowing back on all the pledges made about tax made in the election and the lies from "Rychel Raves" about what they knew..
The Left are always going on about whether we would vote to leave the EU now. I'm pretty sure we still would. But would the people still vote Labour after just a month of this utter nonsense? I don't think so.
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Post by Dogburger on Aug 2, 2024 12:51:35 GMT
I think now we have seen labour in action (which is far worse than most thought it would be ) the Tories would realise even though their own party needed a kicking they would have to find a better way of doing it than removing them from power . The Tories would come out and vote if they had the chance tomorrow .
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 2, 2024 13:00:00 GMT
I don't think so. He only won because most people didn't vote and Labour are very good at getting their vote out. Yet he still got only 20% of the vote. So many people are furious at not only this ridiculous attack on indigenous British people - and the defence of muslims because they need their vote - but also the complete rowing back on all the pledges made about tax made in the election and the lies from "Rychel Raves" about what they knew.. The Left are always going on about whether we would vote to leave the EU now. I'm pretty sure we still would. But would the people still vote Labour after just a month of this utter nonsense? I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that no polling has been conducted since the election, so honest answer is we don't know. I'm not sure that asking the question on here is helpful, it may give you the answer that you want, but isn't one reflective of public opinion. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 2, 2024 13:09:28 GMT
I don't think so. He only won because most people didn't vote and Labour are very good at getting their vote out. Yet he still got only 20% of the vote. So many people are furious at not only this ridiculous attack on indigenous British people - and the defence of muslims because they need their vote - but also the complete rowing back on all the pledges made about tax made in the election and the lies from "Rychel Raves" about what they knew.. The Left are always going on about whether we would vote to leave the EU now. I'm pretty sure we still would. But would the people still vote Labour after just a month of this utter nonsense? I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that no polling has been conducted since the election, so honest answer is we don't know. I'm not sure that asking the question on here is helpful, it may give you the answer that you want, but isn't one reflective of public opinion. 🤣 |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 2, 2024 13:12:37 GMT
Labour hadn’t disappointed me . It’s the government of college bar and identity politics that I expected .
It’s a going to over reach itself and panic soon..in fact that’s just started imo.
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 2, 2024 13:16:32 GMT
Labour have justified what most of us said would happen if they were elected..... and I think we should all give ourselves a pat on the back ... and for those who didn't listen to us ... you can just kick yourselves.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 2, 2024 13:16:56 GMT
Labour hadn’t disappointed me . It’s the government of college bar and identity politics that I expected . It’s a going to over reach itself and panic soon..in fact that’s just started imo. Yep, I think that anyone sensible could see that everything they touched would probably go to shit and that Labours term would end in the usual ignominy. We just didn't expect it to start so soon and probably end in violence. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 2, 2024 13:19:19 GMT
Labour hadn’t disappointed me . It’s the government of college bar and identity politics that I expected . It’s a going to over reach itself and panic soon..in fact that’s just started imo. Yep, I think that anyone sensible could see that everything they touched would probably go to shit and that Labours term would end in the usual ignominy. We just didn't expect it to start so soon and probably end in violence. If they keep throwing police officers under a bus then they might not have enough willing and capable to control civil unrest |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 2, 2024 13:24:36 GMT
Their clean energy policy is fucking la la land
Families and businesses will have lower bills for good, from a zero-carbon electricity system. We have chosen this mission not because it is easy, but because working people can never again be left vulnerable to dictators like Putin.
A national mission for clean power by 2030 is achievable and should be prioritised. We desperately need to end the era of high energy bills, excessive carbon emissions and energy insecurity by accelerating the transition to clean, homegrown energy. Britain can lead on this by treating this mission like the vaccine challenge. We can be the innovators and the implementers, helping ourselves and exporting our solutions worldwide. But if we choose to go slowly, others will provide the answers, and ultimately we’ll end up buying these solutions rather than selling them.”
By 2030 🙄
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 2, 2024 13:26:21 GMT
Well I think we can safely say even though it's going to agonizingly long, when the next GE comes along they might become completely unelectable Forever.
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Post by Bentley on Aug 2, 2024 13:34:02 GMT
The Tories and Reform need to get their act together and hold this government to account .
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 2, 2024 13:43:08 GMT
The Tories and Reform need to get their act together and hold this government to account . For at least two years it's like the Tories didn't exist, Labour had to do nothing to win the GE, because the Tories had faded into oblivion, and from the bunch they've got on offer to replace Sunak even they might become unelectable at the next GE, if Farage plays his cards right he could be one of the quickest political leaders of a new party to become Prime Minister. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 2, 2024 14:00:41 GMT
The Tories and Reform need to get their act together and hold this government to account . For at least two years it's like the Tories didn't exist, Labour had to do nothing to win the GE, because the Tories had faded into oblivion, and from the bunch they've got on offer to replace Sunak even they might become unelectable at the next GE, if Farage plays his cards right he could be one of the quickest political leaders of a new party to become Prime Minister. Indeed. The Tory government became a bear pit of back biting and back stabbing . I don’t think that has stopped yet but I suspect there are some decent and capable people left to work together in future. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 2, 2024 14:04:43 GMT
For at least two years it's like the Tories didn't exist, Labour had to do nothing to win the GE, because the Tories had faded into oblivion, and from the bunch they've got on offer to replace Sunak even they might become unelectable at the next GE, if Farage plays his cards right he could be one of the quickest political leaders of a new party to become Prime Minister. Indeed. The Tory government became a bear pit of back biting and back stabbing . I don’t think that has stopped yet but I suspect there are some decent and capable people left to work together in future. You would hope so. The early years of the Corbyn opposition Labour were a shambles and were totally ineffective as an opposition. In fact the SNP did a much better job of opposing the government than Labour did. Unfortunately Boris thought that meant he could do what he liked, and that has led to the shambles that the Tories are now. Governments need effective opposition to govern properly. |
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 2, 2024 14:51:10 GMT
So far, I am neither better off, or worse off
But what I do know is that the huge deficit left by the previous government is going to be repaired, which includes some hard choices, like taking the Winter Fuel Allowance away from all except those pensioners on the lowest incomes ... Which I agree with.
I also know that there is not going to be any more Pussy-Footing around with the desperate housing shortage, including the chronic shortage of both low cost and social homes which are urgently needed. No more Nimbyism, no more "you cant spoil our view" and no more backtracking by councils.
I also know that there is going to be either tax hikes or profit raids in the Autumn to repair the 14 years of damage to our NHS, but that those tax hikes will not hit the least well off, and will not include raising Income Tax, VAT or National Insurance.
I also know that a lot of investment in "Education For Everyone" is going to be paid for by "Education For The Priviliged And Wealthy".
I also know that our appaling train services are going to be nationalised
I also know that Great British Energy will be good for the country, good for the economy, good for growth, good for consumors, and just for once the profits wont leave this country.
I also know that water companies will have EVERY outflow monitored, and future polution caused by purposely pumping sewage into our rivers will meet with hefty fines.
I also know that spending £400,000 Per Failed Asylum Seeker and wasting Millions of tax payers money by handing it over to a foreign government in Africa is going to stop.
Go for growth is by far the best way of ensuring a sound economy and creating money for investment in the things we need ... good education, the NHS, defence and good public services.
For the first time in 14 years we now actually have a plan
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