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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 5, 2024 6:52:05 GMT
Meanwhile, here's the real low down on S&S: The stop and search race myth - Alasdair Palmer.etc
It's a good point that when police are looking for people who are dealing drugs or carrying knives they will tend to go to an area where these activities are occurring - and that often means black areas. There was a C4 program on the police a few months ago and it showed police working in Bristol. When they were doing S&S they were in the St Pauls area (which is predominantly black) because that's where the stabbings happen and the drug dealing happens. They could have walked a mile or so to Whiteladies Road and tried stopping people there but they probably wouldn't get many "hits". The fact is that, in the case of S&S, the police are not being motivated by racism. Yes. S&S is applicable to street crime – drug dealing, robbery etc. And unsurprisingly, the majority of street crime occurs in relatively deprived areas which, for complex social and historic reasons, tend to have a higher black population. It's not a case of targetting a demographic, it's about targetting the areas where the crime occurs. Which is exactly what the police should be doing. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 5, 2024 6:55:49 GMT
clearly you dont. If this was the norm , then you could show me when 33.7 % got 64% of seats previously. Well I could only logically do that if the Electoral Boundaries in this last election were 100% identical to every previous election. Because boundary changes affect the distribution of voters, and so electoral outcomes. Given we can't do that, we have to fall back to "was the election carried out in accordance with the relevant electoral regulations" - and the answer to that is YES. It really is not rocket science here - well, perhaps it is for some. Oh, and I know it does not seem to have sunk in yet, but no government since 1931 has had a majority vote share. So why does the lack of a majority vote share suddenly matter so much. All The Best yet more diversionary piffle , as we have come to expect from such a waffler as yourself. the Labour Party membership , trade unions who support them , and the wider public have been crying out for a change in the dodgy electoral system for years now. in January 2020 , starmer announced his support for a constitutional convention , in recognition of what we are talking about , and proportional representation. www.electoral-reform.org.uk/latest-news-and-research/media-centre/press-releases/keir-starmer-announces-support-for-constitutional-convention-and-proportional-representation/ bylinetimes.com/2023/04/27/keir-starmer-now-opposes-scrapping-westminsters-voting-system-for-pr-in-blow-for-reformers/within a couple of years he had flip flopped on that position , the carrot he had dangled about reform during the labour leadership election. moaning about electoral boundaries , trying to portray starmers 33.7 % vote share as the norm , blaming the tories , and all the other diversionary piffle doesn't wash with me , or anyone else. It's time to take the bull by the horns , and reform. the dodgy electoral system , rather than keep kicking the ball into the long grass as they have done for a century with abolishing the House of Lords, another labour belter people laugh at every election. We cant have labour , or any other party , gaining whopping majorities on an absurdly low share of the vote. It's only going to get worse , and I for one am going to be laughing at liberal left clowns like you screaming when farrage and his reform party do well off the back of voter disenfranchisement next election. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 5, 2024 7:00:07 GMT
It's a good point that when police are looking for people who are dealing drugs or carrying knives they will tend to go to an area where these activities are occurring - and that often means black areas. There was a C4 program on the police a few months ago and it showed police working in Bristol. When they were doing S&S they were in the St Pauls area (which is predominantly black) because that's where the stabbings happen and the drug dealing happens. They could have walked a mile or so to Whiteladies Road and tried stopping people there but they probably wouldn't get many "hits". The fact is that, in the case of S&S, the police are not being motivated by racism. Yes. S&S is applicable to street crime – drug dealing, robbery etc. And unsurprisingly, the majority of street crime occurs in relatively deprived areas which, for complex social and historic reasons, tend to have a higher black population. It's not a case of targetting a demographic, it's about targetting the areas where the crime occurs. Which is exactly what the police should be doing. exactly . When white kids on deprived Glaswegian estates , at one point some of the most stopped and searched demographic in the uk are targeted , liberal lefties like ProVeritas are silent. As soon as its black kids , all hell breaks loose and its wacist. I bet the black community in London would be begging for the polis to go back and police their areas if the London police said all of a sudden , we are sick to death with accusations of racism , and won't be policing black communities any longer. im pretty sure I remember reading something along similar lines in the USA . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 5, 2024 7:12:45 GMT
Yes. S&S is applicable to street crime – drug dealing, robbery etc. And unsurprisingly, the majority of street crime occurs in relatively deprived areas which, for complex social and historic reasons, tend to have a higher black population. It's not a case of targetting a demographic, it's about targetting the areas where the crime occurs. Which is exactly what the police should be doing. exactly . When white kids on deprived Glaswegian estates , at one point some of the most stopped and searched demographic in the uk are targeted , liberal lefties like ProVeritas are silent. As soon as its black kids , all hell breaks loose and its wacist. I bet the black community in London would be begging for the polis to go back and police their areas if the London police said all of a sudden , we are sick to death with accusations of racism , and won't be policing black communities any longer. im pretty sure I remember reading something along similar lines in the USA . Exactly.
There was a town in the US where the police did just that: They gave up pro-actively patrolling and only attended when incidents actually happened.
It took about a week before the rent-a-gobs were begging the police to return.
But hey, if you're a lefty twat it's easier to accuse the police of racism than it is to own up to the societal ills that you've helped to create.
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Post by thomas on Aug 5, 2024 7:22:04 GMT
exactly . When white kids on deprived Glaswegian estates , at one point some of the most stopped and searched demographic in the uk are targeted , liberal lefties like ProVeritas are silent. As soon as its black kids , all hell breaks loose and its wacist. I bet the black community in London would be begging for the polis to go back and police their areas if the London police said all of a sudden , we are sick to death with accusations of racism , and won't be policing black communities any longer. im pretty sure I remember reading something along similar lines in the USA . Exactly.
There was a town in the US where the police did just that: They gave up pro-actively patrolling and only attended when incidents actually happened.
It took about a week before the rent-a-gobs were begging the police to return.
But hey, if you're a lefty twat it's easier to accuse the police of racism than it is to own up to the societal ills that you've helped to create.
the police have a hard enough job as it is without clowns like pro veritas screaming racist at them at every turn because they dared stop and search some black guy in a hoodie with a sword. its laughable listening to these people it really is. they have never been near a council estate in London or Glasgow , and only read about them from the safety of their armchair in the guardian. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 5, 2024 7:33:00 GMT
Exactly.
There was a town in the US where the police did just that: They gave up pro-actively patrolling and only attended when incidents actually happened.
It took about a week before the rent-a-gobs were begging the police to return.
But hey, if you're a lefty twat it's easier to accuse the police of racism than it is to own up to the societal ills that you've helped to create.
the police have a hard enough job as it is without clowns like pro veritas screaming racist at them at every turn because they dared stop and search some black guy in a hoodie with a sword. its laughable listening to these people it really is. they have never been near a council estate in London or Glasgow , and only read about them from the safety of their armchair in the guardian. Yep, it's just plain ignorance. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 5, 2024 16:55:13 GMT
Exactly.
There was a town in the US where the police did just that: They gave up pro-actively patrolling and only attended when incidents actually happened.
It took about a week before the rent-a-gobs were begging the police to return.
But hey, if you're a lefty twat it's easier to accuse the police of racism than it is to own up to the societal ills that you've helped to create.
its laughable listening to these people it really is. they have never been near a council estate in London or Glasgow , and only read about them from the safety of their armchair in the guardian. Oh do fuck off with your constant lying about me. That you have top lie shows you are intellectually incapable of debating properly. I have NO PROBLEM AT ALL with police stopping anyone of any colour at all if that person has a sword. Of course, if it was identifiably a sword then it would not count as a Stop & Search incident, as there would already be a clear crime being committed - but I suspect you are too thick to work that bit out. I do have a problem with public money being wasted on a procedure that is 71% INEFFECTIVE. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 5, 2024 16:56:55 GMT
exactly . When white kids on deprived Glaswegian estates , at one point some of the most stopped and searched demographic in the uk are targeted , liberal lefties like ProVeritas are silent. As soon as its black kids , all hell breaks loose and its wacist. I bet the black community in London would be begging for the polis to go back and police their areas if the London police said all of a sudden , we are sick to death with accusations of racism , and won't be policing black communities any longer. im pretty sure I remember reading something along similar lines in the USA . Exactly.
There was a town in the US where the police did just that: They gave up pro-actively patrolling and only attended when incidents actually happened.
It took about a week before the rent-a-gobs were begging the police to return.
But hey, if you're a lefty twat it's easier to accuse the police of racism than it is to own up to the societal ills that you've helped to create.
You have evidence to back that up? Or is this just another of the litany of lies you tell because you are incapable of debating honestly? All The Best |
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