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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 4, 2024 6:12:26 GMT
If you know a better way of finding people who are carrying knives or drugs than S&S, PV, maybe you should tell the police.
I've never been stopped and searched in England but I've lived in Brussels and New York and I was stopped several times there. In Brussels one policeman kept what looked like an AK47 trained on me while his colleague searched me and in NYC an armed policeman gave me cursory search. It doesn't take very long if you cooperate and I can't see why some people object so much to it - especially as the British cops are not armed.
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 4, 2024 10:11:05 GMT
If you know a better way of finding people who are carrying knives or drugs than S&S, PV, maybe you should tell the police. Intelligence led targeted policing, rather than randomness led policing. Sniffer dog patrols to detect drug carriers. All The Best |
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 4, 2024 11:03:39 GMT
Bollocks. As usual.
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 4, 2024 11:41:31 GMT
So using sniffer dog patrols to detect drugs, rather than the clearly failing randomness of S&S is "bollocks? Or is your real concern that using sniffer dogs to detect drugs might result in more white people being stopped and charged? All The Best |
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 4, 2024 11:48:53 GMT
ZZZZzzzz....
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2024 11:54:28 GMT
A very, very silly post, PV. Stop and search is used basically to try and find people who are carrying drugs or knives. There's no other way of doing it. The police just use their nous to stop likely culprits. And they don't like to waste their time stopping innocent people - like little old ladies. They tend to stop many more blacks than other races but that's because they're the people who are most involved in knife crime. If the police found that none of them were "carrying" they wouldn't stop them. Of course what would be really interesting is what percentage of the S&S that lead to "no further action" involved people from ethnic minorities. If they are genuinely only stopping "likely culprits" you'd expect the percentage of "no further action" to be evenly distributed across all ethnicities. eh? are you implying stop and search is clearly targeted at ethnic groups while the native white population is less targeted? I call that bollocks myself. Clearly you have never heard of. the issues we had in Glasgow over the years , where the formerly high murder rate( under labour)and severe knife crime led to young white males from Glaswegian council estates being vociferously targeted by stop and search. Police in Scotland carry out four times more stop and searches than their colleagues in England and Wales, according to a new report.Research by Edinburgh University found there were 64 searches per 1,000 people in 2010, compared with 17 south of the border. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-25774462 |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 4, 2024 11:59:22 GMT
Of course what would be really interesting is what percentage of the S&S that lead to "no further action" involved people from ethnic minorities. If they are genuinely only stopping "likely culprits" you'd expect the percentage of "no further action" to be evenly distributed across all ethnicities. eh? are you implying stop and search is clearly targeted at ethnic groups while the native white population is less targeted? I call that bollocks myself. Clearly you have never heard of. the issues we had in Glasgow over the years , where the formerly high murder rate( under labour)and severe knife crime led to young white males from Glaswegian council estates being vociferously targeted by stop and search. Police in Scotland carry out four times more stop and searches than their colleagues in England and Wales, according to a new report.Research by Edinburgh University found there were 64 searches per 1,000 people in 2010, compared with 17 south of the border. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-25774462 Call it bollocks all you like, doesn't make it so. I'll just remined you that nationally S&S process that has less than 30% success rate. 71% of S&S result in no further action - that is they are targeting completely innocent people. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 4, 2024 11:59:54 GMT
That means you are incapable of refuting my point. Well done. All The Best |
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2024 12:05:33 GMT
eh? are you implying stop and search is clearly targeted at ethnic groups while the native white population is less targeted? I call that bollocks myself. Clearly you have never heard of. the issues we had in Glasgow over the years , where the formerly high murder rate( under labour)and severe knife crime led to young white males from Glaswegian council estates being vociferously targeted by stop and search. Police in Scotland carry out four times more stop and searches than their colleagues in England and Wales, according to a new report.Research by Edinburgh University found there were 64 searches per 1,000 people in 2010, compared with 17 south of the border. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-25774462 Call it bollocks all you like, doesn't make it so. I'll just remined you that nationally S&S process that has less than 30% success rate. 71% of S&S result in no further action - that is they are targeting completely innocent people. All The Best im addressing the implication stop and search is targeted at black people along racist lines , when the article proves this isnt the case. It's not racist or discriminatory to target a particular group intelligence leads the police to believe are committing crime. The police and other agencies who deal with this need our support not our criticism . |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 4, 2024 12:14:11 GMT
Call it bollocks all you like, doesn't make it so. I'll just remined you that nationally S&S process that has less than 30% success rate. 71% of S&S result in no further action - that is they are targeting completely innocent people. All The Best im addressing the implication stop and search is targeted at black people along racist lines , when the article proves this isnt the case. It's not racist or discriminatory to target a particular group intelligence leads the police to believe are committing crime. The police and other agencies who deal with this need our support not our criticism . The article proves it is not the case ONLY in Scotland, and ONLY during a specific period. Police, like all public servants, deserve criticism where criticism is justified - repeatedly enacting a policy that is 71% ineffective deserves criticism. All The Best |
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2024 12:23:20 GMT
im addressing the implication stop and search is targeted at black people along racist lines , when the article proves this isnt the case. It's not racist or discriminatory to target a particular group intelligence leads the police to believe are committing crime. The police and other agencies who deal with this need our support not our criticism . The article proves it is not the case ONLY in Scotland, and ONLY during a specific period. So you imply the Scottish polis aren't racist because they systematically targeted white kids for stop and search during the time mentioned , but the English polis are racist cause they didnt? You do talk some unmitigated bollocks. I suggest there are good and bad polis in both scotland and England , and that if black kids in London are primarily responsible for knife crime , just as white Glaswegian kids once were , its neither racist nor wrong to target these specific groups when doing stop and searches. Perhaps thats why we in Glasgow solved our knife crime problem ,while labour in London are still to busy shouting racist at the polis as knife crime continues out of control. As we have seen , labour , soft on crime , soft on the causes of crime , and lacking in any solution . |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 4, 2024 12:27:25 GMT
The article proves it is not the case ONLY in Scotland, and ONLY during a specific period. So you imply the Scottish polis aren't racist because they systematically targeted white kids for stop and search during the time mentioned , but the English polis are racist cause they didnt? I never said that at all. When you've worked out what I did say come back to me. All The Best |
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2024 12:31:20 GMT
So you imply the Scottish polis aren't racist because they systematically targeted white kids for stop and search during the time mentioned , but the English polis are racist cause they didnt? I never said that at all. When you've worked out what I did say come back to me. All The Best ive proved my point when you agreed with me what my article said , and showed how flimsy and lazy your implication about stop and search being racist is. |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 4, 2024 12:31:49 GMT
I've been stopped and searched, didn't take long, learned I had a light out on the car. Got it fixed the next day.
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2024 12:33:34 GMT
I've been stopped and searched, didn't take long, learned I had a light out on the car. Got it fixed the next day. I suspect most of us have. I got stopped and searched frequently walking back from the shops as a teenager during my youth. I didnt scream racist about it. |
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