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Post by Vinny on Jul 30, 2024 8:41:09 GMT
And that is Islamism. At one time our immigration policy was essentially an open door. We did not consider the beliefs of those who came as factor. We assumed everyone was tolerant, kindly, and would fit in. Sadly we were wrong. Beliefs that are intolerant, bigoted, and in some cases murderous, came into our country. And people have been killed as a result of theocratic bigoted cultists being allowed into our country. Cultists who preach hate, who preach death to blasphemers and unbelievers.
And how have we responded? Saudi Arabian funding of bookshops and mosques continue.
The extremist Saudi Arabian version (Salafism) of a religion is being pushed.
Salafism is the form of Islam Osama Bin Laden followed and that the London bombers followed.
Will Labour recognise the danger and act to educate against Salafism?
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Post by wapentake on Jul 30, 2024 8:57:39 GMT
And probably continue to use a blind eye to the problem ,mind you they’re not alone in that the three main parties are all of the same opinion that like Fawlty said “don’t mention the war”
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 30, 2024 9:02:17 GMT
As I said elsewhere: Appeasement is an insidious creeping sickness.
No party, except possibly Reform, is going to confront it because they don't have the balls and they think they can control the resultant societal divisions.
History shows that they are wrong.
Sooner or later we will probably end up with civil war.
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Post by sandypine on Jul 30, 2024 9:09:22 GMT
As I said elsewhere: Appeasement is an insidious creeping sickness. No party, except possibly Reform, is going to confront it because they don't have the balls and they think they can control the resultant societal divisions. History shows that they are wrong. Sooner or later we will probably end up with civil war. One suspects that societal divisions are exactly what is being created as deliberate policy. Controlling them will obviously result in ID cards, money control, speech control, public gathering control etc etc. Most people are quite comfortable now so do not wish to be disturbed and will go about their lives until one day they realise that going about their lives has changed dramatically. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 30, 2024 9:19:28 GMT
As I said elsewhere: Appeasement is an insidious creeping sickness. No party, except possibly Reform, is going to confront it because they don't have the balls and they think they can control the resultant societal divisions. History shows that they are wrong. Sooner or later we will probably end up with civil war. One suspects that societal divisions are exactly what is being created as deliberate policy. Controlling them will obviously result in ID cards, money control, speech control, public gathering control etc etc. Most people are quite comfortable now so do not wish to be disturbed and will go about their lives until one day they realise that going about their lives has changed dramatically. I absolutely believe that that's the agenda. And it's like watching the communist manifesto being played out. However history tells us how that ends. |
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Post by piglet on Jul 30, 2024 9:49:35 GMT
It wont be addressed until something bad happens. Health and safety does not exist when it comes to race.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 30, 2024 10:33:15 GMT
As I said elsewhere: Appeasement is an insidious creeping sickness. No party, except possibly Reform, is going to confront it because they don't have the balls and they think they can control the resultant societal divisions. History shows that they are wrong. Sooner or later we will probably end up with civil war. What would you expect Reform to do, specifically? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 30, 2024 10:39:11 GMT
As I said elsewhere: Appeasement is an insidious creeping sickness. No party, except possibly Reform, is going to confront it because they don't have the balls and they think they can control the resultant societal divisions. History shows that they are wrong. Sooner or later we will probably end up with civil war. What would you expect Reform to do, specifically? Reiterate and reinforce that the rule of law holds sway over mob rule. And that that will be robustly enforced. And there will be no "Talks with community leaders" or other concessionary appeasement. And that senior police officers, civil servants and other public functionaries will be subject to disciplinary proceedings if they are shown to be biased by going off message. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 30, 2024 10:45:00 GMT
We could go further and introduce cohesion laws.
We could start by limiting the number of religious buildings that are allowed in an area according to the number of such buildings belonging to the other religious orders.
For example, we could perhaps not allow mosques to outnumber the number of churches or synagogues in a given area (with the goal of reducing the numbers of all such buildings over time).
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 3, 2024 7:22:46 GMT
The far-right...  |
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 3, 2024 9:36:58 GMT
We could go further and introduce cohesion laws. We could start by limiting the number of religious buildings that are allowed in an area according to the number of such buildings belonging to the other religious orders. For example, we could perhaps not allow mosques to outnumber the number of churches or synagogues in a given area (with the goal of reducing the numbers of all such buildings over time). We could also enforce big signs to placed in the window of every Muslim owned business "MUSLIM"We could also make Muslim people wear a big badge on their clothing which must be visible How about we build "Re-education Camps" for Muslims Take away ther right to vote in order to stop Britain from becoming an Islamic Republic How about we make all Muslims official Second Class Citizens, limiting such things as access to the NHS and pensions All great ideas for the next Reform UK Manifesto |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 3, 2024 10:22:39 GMT
We could go further and introduce cohesion laws. We could start by limiting the number of religious buildings that are allowed in an area according to the number of such buildings belonging to the other religious orders. For example, we could perhaps not allow mosques to outnumber the number of churches or synagogues in a given area (with the goal of reducing the numbers of all such buildings over time). We could also enforce big signs to placed in the window of every Muslim owned business "MUSLIM"We could also make Muslim people wear a big badge on their clothing which must be visible How about we build "Re-education Camps" for Muslims Take away ther right to vote in order to stop Britain from becoming an Islamic Republic How about we make all Muslims official Second Class Citizens, limiting such things as access to the NHS and pensions... What, treat them the same way that Islamic countries treat non Muslims?
Personally, I think we're better than that.
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 3, 2024 12:33:52 GMT
How's about we remove all exemptions from laws for religions - i.e. exemptions for slaughter of animals or the breaking of anti-discrimination laws (e.g. discrimination against women) etc. That would be a start.
We could then move on to, for example, what they do in Italy. Any mosque that's caught with extremist islamic literature - or with hate preaching - is shut down. Why do we let them get away with it. There are 4 mosques in Italy. How many in England - I forget, about 200.
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 3, 2024 12:42:12 GMT
How's about we remove all exemptions from laws for religions - i.e. exemptions for slaughter of animals or the breaking of anti-discrimination laws (e.g. discrimination against women) etc. That would be a start. We could then move on to, for example, what they do in Italy. Any mosque that's caught with extremist islamic literature - or with hate preaching - is shut down. Why do we let them get away with it. There are 4 mosques in Italy. How many in England - I forget, about 200. Add a zero to that and you'd be getting warm. |
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