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Post by ratcliff on Aug 5, 2024 9:08:34 GMT
Suella Braverman received the required ten nominations to stand for party leader, but has chosen not to stand. She says current Tory MP's do not understand that voters [Conservative voters] lost faith not least all because of immigration and gender ideology. That is the reason the Tory party refuse to allow party members to vote for party leader. They know damned well Suella would be a shoo in. Does it matter? The Tories have at least ten years in the wilderness — unless they can get a leader of the calibre of Starmer, who can rid them of disrupters, and concentrate on getting the party back to concentrating on its core values… I think that's the funniest thing I've read this week on any media  |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 5, 2024 9:12:12 GMT
Does it matter? The Tories have at least ten years in the wilderness — unless they can get a leader of the calibre of Starmer, who can rid them of disrupters, and concentrate on getting the party back to concentrating on its core values… 'Starmer' and 'core values' in the same sentence is a rather odd mix - considering that Starmer has dropped every pledge he ever made to become Leader. Seems Starmers only 'core value' is saying anything to get elected. Ooh, that's a bit unfair.
I'd say that he's amply demonstrated his core commitments to open door immigration and the destruction of British society.
I mean, the Tories managed a slow decline over 14 years while "Two-Tier Keir" has smashed it in 4 weeks.
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Post by patman post on Aug 5, 2024 11:29:53 GMT
The Tories have at least ten years in the wilderness — unless they can get a leader of the calibre of Starmer, who can rid them of disrupters, and concentrate on getting the party back to concentrating on its core values… Small Bore? More an epithet that comes to mind with certain posters on here... |
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Post by patman post on Aug 5, 2024 11:46:16 GMT
Does it matter? The Tories have at least ten years in the wilderness — unless they can get a leader of the calibre of Starmer, who can rid them of disrupters, and concentrate on getting the party back to concentrating on its core values… 'Starmer' and 'core values' in the same sentence is a rather odd mix - considering that Starmer has dropped every pledge he ever made to become Leader. Seems Starmers only 'core value' is saying anything to get elected. And these supposed pledges were?
One month in Starmer's/Labour's election priorities remain: • Clean energy • NHS — ambulances arriving within seven minutes for cardiac arrest, meeting four-hour A&E waiting targets and high GP satisfaction ratings
• Highest G7 growth (in a meaningful sense, not from its current low level) • Opportunity for all — increase numbers of school-leavers going into work, study or apprenticeships; abolish private school tax breaks to pay for teachers; end non-dom status to fund primary breakfast clubs.
• Safer streets — currently being tested...
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 5, 2024 17:01:24 GMT
'Starmer' and 'core values' in the same sentence is a rather odd mix - considering that Starmer has dropped every pledge he ever made to become Leader. Seems Starmers only 'core value' is saying anything to get elected. And these supposed pledges were?
One month in Starmer's/Labour's election priorities remain: • Clean energy • NHS — ambulances arriving within seven minutes for cardiac arrest, meeting four-hour A&E waiting targets and high GP satisfaction ratings
• Highest G7 growth (in a meaningful sense, not from its current low level) • Opportunity for all — increase numbers of school-leavers going into work, study or apprenticeships; abolish private school tax breaks to pay for teachers; end non-dom status to fund primary breakfast clubs.
• Safer streets — currently being tested... Oh come on Pat - we have discussed Starmers dishonesty enough times on this forum..  |
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Post by patman post on Aug 5, 2024 18:59:05 GMT
And these supposed pledges were?
One month in Starmer's/Labour's election priorities remain: • Clean energy • NHS — ambulances arriving within seven minutes for cardiac arrest, meeting four-hour A&E waiting targets and high GP satisfaction ratings
• Highest G7 growth (in a meaningful sense, not from its current low level) • Opportunity for all — increase numbers of school-leavers going into work, study or apprenticeships; abolish private school tax breaks to pay for teachers; end non-dom status to fund primary breakfast clubs.
• Safer streets — currently being tested... Oh come on Pat - we have discussed Starmers dishonesty enough times on this forum.. So, given that the election was a month ago, which of those are not going to happen — when there’s likely to be at least four more years…? |
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Post by Hutchyns on Aug 5, 2024 19:52:21 GMT
I'd not seen the pledges before but I can't really imagine the UK being transformed into a 'force for International peace and justice',
so I'd select that last part of Pledge 4 as a pie in the sky no-hoper.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 5, 2024 22:12:34 GMT
Oh come on Pat - we have discussed Starmers dishonesty enough times on this forum.. So, given that the election was a month ago, which of those are not going to happen — when there’s likely to be at least four more years…? So when is the top rate of income tax going to be increased by 5%? - especially as he has already ruled it out. When is Universal credit going to be abolished? - especially as he has already ruled it out. What about nationalising energy and water - when are you expecting those to happen - especially as he has already ruled it out. How many times do you have to be told something is not going to happen before you believe it? |
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Post by patman post on Aug 6, 2024 14:41:52 GMT
So, given that the election was a month ago, which of those are not going to happen — when there’s likely to be at least four more years…? So when is the top rate of income tax going to be increased by 5%? - especially as he has already ruled it out. When is Universal credit going to be abolished? - especially as he has already ruled it out. What about nationalising energy and water - when are you expecting those to happen - especially as he has already ruled it out. How many times do you have to be told something is not going to happen before you believe it? As pointed out before, this government has been in power for one month. Implementing undertakings made four years ago need both time and evaluation — eg, ways of increasing tax take on high earners will have to be devised, abolishing Universal Credit and its associated sanctions requires a replacement to be in place, Nationalism is one form of Common Ownership, but by no means the only, or the preferred, one.
I reckon 12 months or a couple of budgets in will likely give enough time to make sensible judgements...
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 6, 2024 17:03:18 GMT
They have had 4 years to evaluate what they want to do - and have specifically ruled out any changes to those issues.
Face it Pat - you were taken for a ride..
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