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Post by Pacifico on Jul 29, 2024 22:03:43 GMT
Trouble is that 30% of means tested welfare for pensioners goes unclaimed - this measure will hit some of those in extreme hardship. The problem there is people not claiming what they are entitled to, which should be tackled as a separate issue. It should not be used as an excuse for maintaining handouts to those such as yourself who don't need them. it is an issue that can never be solved - that is why socialist politicians were always against means tested welfare. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 29, 2024 22:05:07 GMT
Freezing granny to death to pay for increased foreign aid is not a good look - if the opposition is any good they will jump on this very heavy. You are aware that the payments are being maintained for poorer pensioners. So all this talk of granny freezing to death is utter nonsense. see previous - meanwhile granny freezes to death. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 29, 2024 22:09:25 GMT
You are aware that the payments are being maintained for poorer pensioners. So all this talk of granny freezing to death is utter nonsense. see previous - meanwhile granny freezes to death. There's plenty of working age people freezing to death, they don't even get the option. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 29, 2024 22:23:49 GMT
see previous - meanwhile granny freezes to death. There's plenty of working age people freezing to death, they don't even get the option. Ah.. so drag pensioners down will make those people feel better.. yes that will help. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 29, 2024 22:26:05 GMT
This is why nobody trusts Starmers Labour Party.
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Post by Bentley on Jul 29, 2024 22:28:36 GMT
Some years ago in my last home I was told by my Lithuanian next door neighbour that in Lithuania you never find well off pensioners .
He said that when you retired there , you moved into a tiny flat and kind of disappeared.
I’m sure that idea gives lefties a little internal thrill.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 29, 2024 22:35:10 GMT
There's plenty of working age people freezing to death, they don't even get the option. Ah.. so drag pensioners down will make those people feel better.. yes that will help. That's a bit disingenuous. Pensioner benefits have been index linked during the austerity years rather than the benefits freeze that working age people suffered. As such, keeping WFA for only pensioners on minimum income seems quite a tame adjustment. What surprises me (or not) about this forum is that when the Tories announced reductions in welfare, you all cheered. Now Labour have reduced welfare but you've discovered it's against pensioners, you're all up in arms. One wonders why? |
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 29, 2024 23:22:54 GMT
I suspected and still do that the labour government will use the means test of pensions ie pension tax credits as the point where it’s a free for all to take stuff away . Free bus pass ? Only pensioners in tax credits . Free prescriptions? Only pensioners on tax credits . That’s ok because plenty of lefties hate the idea of pensioners being comfortably off . They can’t hope to take away enough money from the rich pensioners to make them sting so they want the pensioners who have scrimped and saved to give back as much of it as the lefties can get their grubby hands on . They are losers and they are going to do their best to make sure their contemporaries are too. Instead of nicking £200+ from each of 10 million OAPs (most of whom cannot work)who lefties say ''don't need it'' , she could have announced that £200+ was to be taken from each of the 9.5 million vast handouts packages doled out to those of working age but who can't be a*sed to work |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 29, 2024 23:28:16 GMT
I suspected and still do that the labour government will use the means test of pensions ie pension tax credits as the point where it’s a free for all to take stuff away . Free bus pass ? Only pensioners in tax credits . Free prescriptions? Only pensioners on tax credits . That’s ok because plenty of lefties hate the idea of pensioners being comfortably off . They can’t hope to take away enough money from the rich pensioners to make them sting so they want the pensioners who have scrimped and saved to give back as much of it as the lefties can get their grubby hands on . They are losers and they are going to do their best to make sure their contemporaries are too. Instead of nicking £200+ from each of 10 million OAPs (most of whom cannot work)who lefties say ''don't need it'' , she could have announced that £200+ was to be taken from each of the 9.5 million vast handouts packages doled out to those of working age but who can't be a*sed to work Yes but the pensioners who worked hard enough to earn enough pension to take them out of poverty mostly will never vote Labour , whereas ones of working age that do not work will never not vote Labour . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 30, 2024 4:21:15 GMT
I suspected and still do that the labour government will use the means test of pensions ie pension tax credits as the point where it’s a free for all to take stuff away . Free bus pass ? Only pensioners in tax credits . Free prescriptions? Only pensioners on tax credits . That’s ok because plenty of lefties hate the idea of pensioners being comfortably off . They can’t hope to take away enough money from the rich pensioners to make them sting so they want the pensioners who have scrimped and saved to give back as much of it as the lefties can get their grubby hands on . They are losers and they are going to do their best to make sure their contemporaries are too. Instead of nicking £200+ from each of 10 million OAPs (most of whom cannot work)who lefties say ''don't need it'' , she could have announced that £200+ was to be taken from each of the 9.5 million vast handouts packages doled out to those of working age but who can't be a*sed to work But that's the bulk of the Labour voting demographic. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 30, 2024 6:36:44 GMT
Ah.. so drag pensioners down will make those people feel better.. yes that will help. That's a bit disingenuous. Pensioner benefits have been index linked during the austerity years rather than the benefits freeze that working age people suffered. As such, keeping WFA for only pensioners on minimum income seems quite a tame adjustment. What surprises me (or not) about this forum is that when the Tories announced reductions in welfare, you all cheered. Now Labour have reduced welfare but you've discovered it's against pensioners, you're all up in arms. One wonders why? Playing Labours game - you cant complain about the system now that Labour are in charge. If it were the Tories doing these cuts Labour (and the LimpDems) would be hyperventilating - but it is Labour who is going to make granny freeze to death. A letter in todays paper:  |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 30, 2024 6:49:37 GMT
This will be part of Labours great change, taking money from societies poorest and giving it to whom exactly?
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Post by sandypine on Jul 30, 2024 6:51:11 GMT
Ah.. so drag pensioners down will make those people feel better.. yes that will help. That's a bit disingenuous. Pensioner benefits have been index linked during the austerity years rather than the benefits freeze that working age people suffered. As such, keeping WFA for only pensioners on minimum income seems quite a tame adjustment. What surprises me (or not) about this forum is that when the Tories announced reductions in welfare, you all cheered. Now Labour have reduced welfare but you've discovered it's against pensioners, you're all up in arms. One wonders why? It is the means tested aspect that gets me and I see no easy way around it. The man who pissed his money up the wall and holidayed to his heart's content gets more help than the man who carefully garnered his assets and lived well within his means to ease himself into retirement. One is assessed at a particular point in time. There is much anecdotal and personal evidence to show the general injustice of this. There is much anger that many pensioners do not 'need' the pension they receive which may be true however it still leaves wide open the injustice door that buying one's own house, planning for retirement, carefully looking after one's own assets and doing without fripperies results in a much smaller final income from the public purse than those who did not bother. EDIT As an addition, as well as those that did not bother I could also include those who have recently arrived. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 30, 2024 6:52:04 GMT
This will be part of Labours great change, taking money from societies poorest and giving it to whom exactly? Foreiners by the looks of it. Quelle surprise. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 30, 2024 6:55:29 GMT
This will be part of Labours great change, taking money from societies poorest and giving it to whom exactly? DWP estimates 880,000 pensioners who could get pension credit and qualify for WFP do not do so. So they are already below poverty line and now another £500 lower. Thats progress comrade - to the barricades!! |
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