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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 25, 2024 9:00:06 GMT
As you might be aware, the US has recently created tariffs of 102.5 % on Chinese EVs and the EU up to 37.6%. Now I'm of the opinion the UK system sides with the US no matter who you vote for, so we are something of a vassal state and will be told what to do by our overlords. It is logical to think this given the EU can be forced to do the American's bidding even if it means industrial suicide.
This latest tariff war of the US vs China will not end well for the US - that's been my opinion and I hold that strongly, so it has come as a big surprise to many that the UK has said no. You should not underestimate the implications of this decision either as it is absolutely crucial to our industrial survival, unless you want Britain to be a nation of stand up comedians and clowns, buying in from abroad all advanced technology at a very expensive price. That's what it means to be a third world slave country.
The thing to realise is Chinese EV tariffs are closely linked to Chinese solar tariffs. The EU and the US are gunning both industries, but do bear in mind Chinese solar is half the price of Western solar, and solar is the cheapest form of energy. This is also crucial for our industrial survival since if we ramp up solar power we will bring our energy costs down in relation to the US and the EU. Now have a think about what you would do if you were a manufacturer looking to chose which nation to invest in. Those tariffs together will be a huge handicap for our competition. We could win!
I'm rather stunned in fact. I've been lobbying myself to make sure the blighters see some sense in these tariffs and they have done. What is so weird is Labour were the ones who wanted to remain in the EU, but this decision to work with China is only possible because we left. This will be our first big major Brexit benefit. The thing was the remainers were too impatient. They expected instant progress. Anyway, talking of sending messages, this is bloody strong message to the world that Blighty is now open for business again, after being closed since the 70s. It will make President Xi's day to hear such great news. I know China has been trying to have some faith in us and we finally deliver.
Please note this is a two-nation decision. Canada went over with the UK to meet Chinese officials, so they jointly agree, no EV tariffs, and as a bonus, it is great Canada is with the UK on this one and not with the US. We are creating a post-Brexit credible future. Blighty needs as many supporting friendly nations as possible. The Canadians and Aussies are two nations that have been good to us. We also have strong relations with the Japs and China is trying to forge a closer relationship with the Japs as well regardable supply of chip building technology, so it all kind of fits.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 25, 2024 9:05:47 GMT
Actually the EU is not applying a tariff of 38.6% on Chinese EVs. It's even better than that; the 38.6% is a surcharge on top of the existing 10% tariff, so the effective rate is closer to 50%.
All good news, unless you are a manufacturer hoping to produce BEVs in the UK, in which case Labour has just killed your home market.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 25, 2024 9:31:33 GMT
Labour follow the money and perks trail, they've finally discovered the EU gravy train has run out of steam and money, no more perks and cushy numbers on offer for those who do as they are told like Blair does.
China is the next Labour gravy train, heaps of perks and plenty of bribes on offer, China know that money talks, and Labour are ready to listen to that money talk.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 25, 2024 9:38:11 GMT
Actually the EU is not applying a tariff of 38.6% on Chinese EVs. It's even better than that; the 38.6% is a surcharge on top of the existing 10% tariff, so the effective rate is closer to 50%. All good news, unless you are a manufacturer hoping to produce BEVs in the UK, in which case Labour has just killed your home market. We don't want inefficient firms who can only "compete" by cheating. We want fierce competition in the UK market, so we create better value for money products that will sell well in other countries too, just like the good old days. The UK has lost the knack of how to build cheap and good, so we can now hope to see firms like BYD invest more in the UK and teach us. Manufacturing is China's forte, but it is said that in China they fall down on creative thinking, where the UK is good at creative thinking. You get a synergy when you put the two different talents together. This is how the Chinese will like to run things. The big word they use a lot is partnership. If you are a partner of the Chinese you are one of the family as they say. You are treated with respect. It's a different way of thinking in business, and it works very well. They like harmony in place of strife and endless strikes and union dictators like Mike Lynch. Happy workers don't go on strike, especially if they feel they are paid well, as is the case in a Chinese factory. Factory work is a good earner over there. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 25, 2024 9:55:06 GMT
The EU position is that it is the Chinese who are cheating.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 25, 2024 9:57:39 GMT
The EU position is that it is the Chinese who are cheating. Well lets face it, they should recognise cheats when they spot one, they've had enough experience at it. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 25, 2024 10:16:30 GMT
Labour follow the money and perks trail, they've finally discovered the EU gravy train has run out of steam and money, no more perks and cushy numbers on offer for those who do as they are told like Blair does. China is the next Labour gravy train, heaps of perks and plenty of bribes on offer, China know that money talks, and Labour are ready to listen to that money talk. China is not the gravy train the EU is though. Actually the biggest gravy train is the US. It is totally corrupt. The EU itself is somewhere in the middle. Corruption in Europe is more around Italy where the Mafia are still very much in charge. Malta got corrupted by the Mafia as well. Places like Germany though I think you will find the Germans are pretty innocent these days and prefer to go straight and work hard to achieve their results.
The thing was, although Blair was in with the EU, the Brexiters were funded by the US. You can see Farage especially is up the arse of Trump and Johnson has been paid off over 7m so far, the bulk of which comes from the US, and in particular I note some US insurance industrial body. In China you can be executed for fiddling the government books. This is how seriously they take government corruption and President Xi slung hundreds of them into prison upon taking office. Why do you suppose he is such a hero over there! Now they have cleaned the dodgy ones out the Chinese government is as straight as a die. You will notice the financial and industrial performance of a nation is inversely proportional to the level of corruption, so after that China really made some big progress. They used to suffer huge losses where grants and subsides were swindled and the government lost a lot of money.
So whatever Labour think, there will not be any brown envelops from Chinese officials. They would be rather stunned at the mere thought of it. Rather how I expect things to roll is the president himself will be very happy with the outcome and it will give him far greater confidence in the UK's integrity after a very bad patch where the Johnson government really insulted them big time. This will translate into the notion that China can work constructively with the Labour government. They will make it easy for the Labour government, and they will talk business sense to Labour and try and help them through a mutual partnership of understanding. This in turn could move the economic indicators of the nation. We will see GDP growth doing great things and we will see PMI shoot up and more funds to the treasury in collected taxes to spend on getting the NHS working, naturally using the latest China healthcare tech. You should look at some of that. China is building the world's first AI hospital. If Labour don't chicken out of this through US pressure then I can see the improvement in the economy handing them a second term, and this is why they should proceed. Labour's weak spot has always been the management of the economy. Johnson + Rishi really fucked the economy up, so its a case of low-hanging fruit.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 25, 2024 10:29:07 GMT
The EU position is that it is the Chinese who are cheating. They think they are, but they are wrong. If you study Chinese industry, take a look around a modern Chinese solar cell factory or polysilicon plant, and then you do the same in Europe, the reason would be obvious. In China machines do nearly all the work. The ability for machines to do the work though relates to the intelligence of the machine. If you can make intelligent machines you can become king. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 25, 2024 10:44:04 GMT
And when was the the last time you took a look around an actual Chinese factory, or a European one for that matter?
I mean physically, not via a Youtube puff-piece helpfully curated by a friendly Chinese' interpreter'.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 25, 2024 16:27:46 GMT
And when was the the last time you took a look around an actual Chinese factory, or a European one for that matter? I mean physically, not via a Youtube puff-piece helpfully curated by a friendly Chinese' interpreter'. Do we have to have this puerile conversation yet again? Refer back the bullshit you guys said the last time.
In case you are unaware, what I do or don't do has no bearing on the state of the economy between Britain and China. I'm just telling you what I know. Now unless you want to contribute constructively, you had better shut up. I'm not in the mood for it.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 26, 2024 5:30:29 GMT
Actually the EU is not applying a tariff of 38.6% on Chinese EVs. It's even better than that; the 38.6% is a surcharge on top of the existing 10% tariff, so the effective rate is closer to 50%. All good news, unless you are a manufacturer hoping to produce BEVs in the UK, in which case Labour has just killed your home market. We don't want inefficient firms who can only "compete" by cheating. We want fierce competition in the UK market, so we create better value for money products that will sell well in other countries too, just like the good old days. The UK has lost the knack of how to build cheap and good ... What we have 'lost' are the concepts of life being cheap and that workers who fail to complete their shift because they had the audacity to die half way through it can be docked a half day's pay for the disciplinary offence of failing to clock out at the end of their shift. That was what our people found was the real cost of our producing things cheaply in 'the good old days'. That was what the widows of those men killed at several of South Wales' mining disasters had to deal with. We don't treat our population that way any more. Well except for JD Sports who retain 'those values' The reason China produces the stuff so cheaply is like India they have no interest in whether the process kills the workforce, or the users, or indeed the planet. The reason net zero in britain is such a laugh is the same twats that want to see us crucified for our 1% impact do fuck all about China's responsibility for half of the other 99% and indeed welcome it by antics like this. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 26, 2024 7:01:55 GMT
Yep, forget tariffs, it's time for embargoes. Divest from Communist China. Fuck Xi Jinping.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 26, 2024 7:08:27 GMT
And when was the the last time you took a look around an actual Chinese factory, or a European one for that matter? I mean physically, not via a Youtube puff-piece helpfully curated by a friendly Chinese' interpreter'. I must confess I have not I have had to work in one in the UK run by a Chinese playboy when he was on the right side of President Xi. He isn't any more, and I don't think the place exists now. I have also had working for me, people who were sent into India, China and other shitholes in Vietnam and so on to supervise the completion of factories there to make consumer goods, set top boxes and the like for the UK market. their stories were interesting, and I saw no reason for them to.be works of fiction. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 26, 2024 7:53:03 GMT
We don't want inefficient firms who can only "compete" by cheating. We want fierce competition in the UK market, so we create better value for money products that will sell well in other countries too, just like the good old days. The UK has lost the knack of how to build cheap and good ... What we have 'lost' are the concepts of life being cheap and that workers who fail to complete their shift because they had the audacity to die half way through it can be docked a half day's pay for the disciplinary offence of failing to clock out at the end of their shift. That was what our people found was the real cost of our producing things cheaply in 'the good old days'. That was what the widows of those men killed at several of South Wales' mining disasters had to deal with. We don't treat our population that way any more. Well except for JD Sports who retain 'those values' The reason China produces the stuff so cheaply is like India they have no interest in whether the process kills the workforce, or the users, or indeed the planet. The reason net zero in britain is such a laugh is the same twats that want to see us crucified for our 1% impact do fuck all about China's responsibility for half of the other 99% and indeed welcome it by antics like this. The working conditions are not generally like India. India is a shithole - all the Chinese will tell you that.
Mind you this is where the hypocrisy comes from. The Brits will find many items of clothing made in India in their wardrobe and not give it a second thought, but when it comes to China the BBC propaganda takes over their small minds and makes them smaller. JD Sports are wankers, and so are Amazon. Yes we do have a few people who take after the Indians. By the way, Pakistan is an even greater shithole.
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Post by see2 on Jul 26, 2024 8:33:46 GMT
The EU position is that it is the Chinese who are cheating. Well lets face it, they should recognise cheats when they spot one, they've had enough experience at it. Your negative opinions change nothing and help no one. |
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