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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 27, 2024 19:48:52 GMT
OK, so the young Asian men incited the incident.
No one is denying that.
The police rightly used force, including tasers, to subdue the aggressors.
Nobody is saying that was wrong: the police did what they had to, within the bounds of the law - that is only using appropriate levels of force.
But then one tasered individual, already face-down on the ground, and - as can be seen from the video - not able to defend himself (likely because he was barely conscious from being tasered) was kicked in the head, and then his head was stamped on.
Both blows more than capable of causing permanent brain damage, and likely to result in a significant - but more than justifiable - compensation claim.
I fail to see how anyone at all can find this last bit in anyway defensible.
The office in question has IMO brought the Police Service into disrepute.
What should happen?
Well, this is only my opinion of course:
1) The Asian youths who kicked things off should ALL be charged with the relevant offences, and punished at the high end of whatever tariff those offences carry.
2) The Police Officer who kicked / stamped on an already subdued suspect should face the full force of the law, he should be handed down whatever the high end of the tariff is for the offences in question.
The first is because we need to seriously disincentivise violence towards the Police and other Emergency Service Personnel.
The second is because we need to seriously disincentivise the Police from engaging in illegal behaviour that is likely to bring the police into disrepute.
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Many years ago one of my uncles who was serving in the RAF was on secondment to IIRC the Coldstream Guards (he got to wear the Bearskin outside of Buckingham Palace), after his last night of secondment he had a farewell party and had a little too much to drink. 24 hours later after, travelling back to his home base, he was driving home, missed a stop light, sped a little not sure which, but was pulled over and was ever so slightly over the drink drive limit.
Went to court, got a 12 Month ban; on top of that the RAF decided he needed 2 months at Colchester.
Because the RAF was of the opinion that those who wear a uniform in service to the country need to be held to higher standards than the everyday person on the street.
Can't say I disagree.
All The Best
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 27, 2024 19:49:33 GMT
Word is that the suspended officer has had to move out of his house because of this,mob justice? Anyone threatening that officer or his family should feel the full force of the law. All The Best |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 27, 2024 21:21:40 GMT
As of now and checked this latest video does not appear on either the BBC or ITV news websites nor the grauniads. In fact BBC 'verify' have said they have not been able to verify what led up to the incident. I find it strange that some blokes can attack the police during the performance of their duty and can end up being the 'victims'. They did not seem especially cooperative at any point and in fact attacked the police. It is a citizens duty to cooperate with the police as they pursue their enquiries. Attacking the police will just become an everyday event |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 27, 2024 21:27:10 GMT
As of now and checked this latest video does not appear on either the BBC or ITV news websites nor the grauniads. In fact BBC 'verify' have said they have not been able to verify what led up to the incident. I find it strange that some blokes can attack the police during the performance of their duty and can end up being the 'victims'. They did not seem especially cooperative at any point and in fact attacked the police. It is a citizens duty to cooperate with the police as they pursue their enquiries. Attacking the police will just become an everyday event It will become an everyday event from the demographic who claim to be victims of the police …and it will be excused by self hating white lefties |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2024 21:51:58 GMT
Nothing new not going to call them brutes as you did the cops or scum. I am trying to remain polite here but you TTL are a disgusting specimen on seeing that all you can do is try to play it down. There's already been a thread on here where a policewoman was attacked by an asylum seeker the court ordered he pay a fine of £24 @ £2 a month and officers seeing things like that you wonder why they react as he did. Are you saying a elite armed police officer seen red mist. And reacted has he did oh my how dangers is that How would you expect him to react after a volley of about 8-10 punches to the head, then when trying to arrest person A, person B comes along and pulls you off. It's an offence to unlawfully obstruct a police officer in the lawful execution of his duty, or to assault a Police or emergency worker. You appear to have a filter when watching these videos. You can only see violence by the Police. TTL, you are a disgrace. |
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Post by bancroft on Jul 27, 2024 21:53:34 GMT
Interesting so one WPC caught not 3 or 4 and it looked like it was accidental from an elbow during the melee.
It looks like the chap in light blue is at the drinks machine and three officers try to apprehend him from behind, there is no vocals so we don't know what warning was given.
His friend in grey attacks the police trying to apprehend his friend and when the police chap goes to use a taser the chap in blue hits him from behind and jumps on him this results in him get tasered. Then unconscious the police chap kicks and stamps, he is out of control sack and a question over assault charges, for me. It looks like because he got hit he decided to make the kid pay without due consideration for the consequences. That is not police training you remain in control of your emotions.
So the chap in grey is involved and is later sitting down (gap in time) and is kicked in the stomach or upper thigh and clubbed around the head with the taser butt, again this is assault, the police are meant to contain their emotions.
What this does raise is whether these chaps should get any compensation as they appear to initiate the violence though without the vocals we have to wait to be sure.
The other gap is the guy who gets pepper sprayed, arm lock and then a jumping head lock can't see he hit anyone.
Obviously more to come yet this shows the chaps questioned have a case to answer so why did they let them go, was bail paid?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2024 21:53:47 GMT
Not really because ai didn’t prejudge as you did earlier in the thread. Second time you refused to condemn violent actions it seems. It seem violence is ok as long has you support it Some people can only be arrested by using violence. People can either come the easy way, or the hard way. They chose the hard way. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2024 21:55:22 GMT
Word is that the suspended officer has had to move out of his house because of this,mob justice? Anyone threatening that officer or his family should feel the full force of the law. All The Best They might end up like the teacher in Batley. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2024 21:57:56 GMT
Looks like it might be time for the Home Secretary to resign.
She had all this information early on, but exposed the Police to criticism when it was a one sided reaction to a violent incident.
TTL and Yvette Cooper were both very wrong and need to apologise.
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Post by bancroft on Jul 27, 2024 22:38:09 GMT
Interesting so one WPC caught not 3 or 4 and it looked like it was accidental from an elbow during the melee. It looks like the chap in light blue is at the drinks machine and three officers try to apprehend him from behind, there is no vocals so we don't know what warning was given. His friend in grey attacks the police trying to apprehend his friend and when the police chap goes to use a taser the chap in blue hits him from behind and jumps on him this results in him get tasered. Then unconscious the police chap kicks and stamps, he is out of control sack and a question over assault charges, for me. It looks like because he got hit he decided to make the kid pay without due consideration for the consequences. That is not police training you remain in control of your emotions. So the chap in grey is involved and is later sitting down (gap in time) and is kicked in the stomach or upper thigh and clubbed around the head with the taser butt, again this is assault, the police are meant to contain their emotions. What this does raise is whether these chaps should get any compensation as they appear to initiate the violence though without the vocals we have to wait to be sure. The other gap is the guy who gets pepper sprayed, arm lock and then a jumping head lock can't see he hit anyone. Obviously more to come yet this shows the chaps questioned have a case to answer so why did they let them go, was bail paid? Watched it twice more now and the chap does swing at the WPC catching her, I really don't think they should be in this type of job unless being of a gladiator build. The guy I mentioned later being pepper sprayed is just watching perhaps he was filming, like I say police warnings will be crucial. |
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Post by Dogburger on Jul 28, 2024 6:26:44 GMT
The new security film at least gives context to why the guy got a shoeing . He should be happy enough that is what all he got , most countries in the World we have seen him dead on the floor . Just don't get why the copper is the bad guy here , the authorities and the home secretary need to grow a backbone and support the police force who dealt with the situation in the best way they could .After what happened the copper was making sure the lad wasn't getting up .
Would just add that the kid in the light tracksuit was well up for it and should maybe be recruited to the force ,he is just the sort of person they should be looking for
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 28, 2024 7:37:44 GMT
Second time you refused to condemn violent actions it seems. It seem violence is ok as long has you support it Some people can only be arrested by using violence. People can either come the easy way, or the hard way. They chose the hard way. The guy had just been tasered lay on the floor semi consuse What on earth you on about |
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 28, 2024 7:43:22 GMT
The new security film at least gives context to why the guy got a shoeing . He should be happy enough that is what all he got , most countries in the World we have seen him dead on the floor . Just don't get why the copper is the bad guy here , the authorities and the home secretary need to grow a backbone and support the police force who dealt with the situation in the best way they could .After what happened the copper was making sure the lad wasn't getting up . Would just add that the kid in the light tracksuit was well up for it and should maybe be recruited to the force ,he is just the sort of person they should be looking for If the bent copper had just handcuffed him after he tasered him no more will be said .he broke police conduct and the law of the land . Dont forget he went and kicked another man in the stomach. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 28, 2024 7:46:06 GMT
The more I see of this, the more disappointed I become in the police: They should have kicked all of these thugs in the head, including the mum.
After all, in any other country they'd all have been shot, so they'd still have got off lightly.
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 28, 2024 7:47:41 GMT
The new security film at least gives context to why the guy got a shoeing . He should be happy enough that is what all he got , most countries in the World we have seen him dead on the floor . Just don't get why the copper is the bad guy here , the authorities and the home secretary need to grow a backbone and support the police force who dealt with the situation in the best way they could .After what happened the copper was making sure the lad wasn't getting up . Would just add that the kid in the light tracksuit was well up for it and should maybe be recruited to the force ,he is just the sort of person they should be looking for If the bent copper had just handcuffed him after he tasered him no more will be said .he broke police conduct and the law of the land . Dont forget he went and kicked another man in the stomach. Okay, fair enough. But let's not forget the original perpetrator broke the 'law of the land' by resisting arrest and assaulted three police officers, leaving one female with a broken nose. He too should feel the full force of the law, and the copper in question should be sent on an 'anger management' course. We all know how liberals love their courses and training, don't we. This officer should do that rather than lose his job as the liberals/mob have be calling for. And if compensation is to be paid to the headache, then Mr. headache should be shelling out compensation to the three officers he attacked. |
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