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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 1, 2022 6:07:39 GMT
Triggered 5yrs after NEO NAZI Death plot
This decision to apply for the role was taken after a considerable period of soul searching and reflection. The events I have faced over the last few years are well documented and undoubtedly have taken their toll.'
Wish Rosie cooper every sucess in her new job at Mersey care NHS Foundation Trust
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Post by dodgydave on Dec 2, 2022 2:08:59 GMT
People on all sides should be careful with their rhetoric, including those on the left that need to stop demonising the Tories at every opportunity.
The Deputy Leader of the Labour Party has been caught publicly using the phrase "Tory scum" three times now... yet she is still in the job.
As for the far-right, this is my problem with PR, we will be giving these people a legitimate platform to spread hate.
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 2, 2022 6:12:37 GMT
People on all sides should be careful with their rhetoric, including those on the left that need to stop demonising the Tories at every opportunity. The Deputy Leader of the Labour Party has been caught publicly using the phrase "Tory scum" three times now... yet she is still in the job. As for the far-right, this is my problem with PR, we will be giving these people a legitimate platform to spread hate. Yea I agree I thought the same way about the hate preacher Chouldary .he was given to much news time to spout his vile |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 4, 2022 0:29:36 GMT
People on all sides should be careful with their rhetoric, including those on the left that need to stop demonising the Tories at every opportunity. The Deputy Leader of the Labour Party has been caught publicly using the phrase "Tory scum" three times now... yet she is still in the job. As for the far-right, this is my problem with PR, we will be giving these people a legitimate platform to spread hate. Yea I agree I thought the same way about the hate preacher Chouldary .he was given to much news time to spout his vile Ok I’ll take that one first. The problem with Choudhury is that for some insane reason after he chose to piss his first degree choice up the wall with the insane drinking parties someone let him switch to becoming a lawyer after he discovered the god of the eighth century so he was able to work out where the line was and stand on it. It wasn’t until he went too far that he became fair game. We should have moved the line long ago. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 4, 2022 0:35:28 GMT
Triggered 5yrs after NEO NAZI Death plot This decision to apply for the role was taken after a considerable period of soul searching and reflection. The events I have faced over the last few years are well documented and undoubtedly have taken their toll.' Wish Rosie cooper every sucess in her new job at Mersey care NHS Foundation Trust So the soul searching had nothing to do with hanging on until she could be handed a peerage ? I’ll wish her good luck in the new job though because with the English NHS heading down the same cesspit the Welsh one has been in for years under Labours control she’s going to need it. Best get her excuses ready too |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 4, 2022 1:03:59 GMT
People on all sides should be careful with their rhetoric, including those on the left that need to stop demonising the Tories at every opportunity. The Deputy Leader of the Labour Party has been caught publicly using the phrase "Tory scum" three times now... yet she is still in the job. As for the far-right, this is my problem with PR, we will be giving these people a legitimate platform to spread hate. Absolutely bang on the money. PR will see the end of strong majority governments, the birth of endless coalitions and gives small parties a disproportionate amount of power. FPTP may not be perfect but it's a damned sight better than PR. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2022 5:11:09 GMT
People on all sides should be careful with their rhetoric, including those on the left that need to stop demonising the Tories at every opportunity. The Deputy Leader of the Labour Party has been caught publicly using the phrase "Tory scum" three times now... yet she is still in the job. As for the far-right, this is my problem with PR, we will be giving these people a legitimate platform to spread hate. What would you call a party that: Is engaged in policies of making poor people poorer whilst protecting the wealthiest. Stole billions during Covid. Excuses bulling in its own ranks. Trashed the economy and is making the poorest pay for it. Allows the poorest to pay for the elites' education. Accuses Socialists of being Communists. Voted against feeding hungry kids.
Reduced UC for the poorest. Lie to the public, daily. Subsidise private business. Is selling off the NHS. Creates crisis's where there are none. Laugh at the people that support them. The Tories are worse than scum. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 4, 2022 7:50:21 GMT
People on all sides should be careful with their rhetoric, including those on the left that need to stop demonising the Tories at every opportunity. The Deputy Leader of the Labour Party has been caught publicly using the phrase "Tory scum" three times now... yet she is still in the job. As for the far-right, this is my problem with PR, we will be giving these people a legitimate platform to spread hate. That made me smile, the Westminster party rely on it, it keeps the Westminster magic roundabout going, everybody is going to get fecked over anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2022 10:42:22 GMT
Perspective - required here
There's a colossal difference between calling the Conservatives nasty names "Tory Scum", which by the way I do not agree with, and threataning to murder a Labour MP, and buying a sword to carry out the act of murder.
Both are unacceptable - but on the scale of magnitude, I would suggest that what Rosie Cooper was faced with, is frightening, compared to general name calling.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2022 9:39:32 GMT
People on all sides should be careful with their rhetoric, including those on the left that need to stop demonising the Tories at every opportunity. The Deputy Leader of the Labour Party has been caught publicly using the phrase "Tory scum" three times now... yet she is still in the job. As for the far-right, this is my problem with PR, we will be giving these people a legitimate platform to spread hate. Absolutely bang on the money. PR will see the end of strong majority governments, the birth of endless coalitions and gives small parties a disproportionate amount of power. FPTP may not be perfect but it's a damned sight better than PR. In view of recent years the myth of strong governments is obviously just that. A myth. One major gain from PR, apart from the obviously central reinforcement of democracy by ensuring that every vote counts and that outcomes genuinely reflect the will of the people, is that we'll never again get Tory governments with huge majorities elected by a minority of the electorate. And that itself would be a major plus, considering the damage they have done these past 12 years. PR is genuine democracy in the sense that it is genuine majority rule. Any government must be based on the majority will of the people. FPTP is not majority rule since it allows minorities to have unfettered rule over majorities and is thus an affront to democracy. Also an affront to democracy are safe seats, and votes that dont count. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 5, 2022 10:08:04 GMT
Absolutely bang on the money. PR will see the end of strong majority governments, the birth of endless coalitions and gives small parties a disproportionate amount of power. FPTP may not be perfect but it's a damned sight better than PR. In view of recent years the myth of strong governments is obviously just that. A myth. One major gain from PR, apart from the obviously central reinforcement of democracy by ensuring that every vote counts and that outcomes genuinely reflect the will of the people, is that we'll never again get Tory governments with huge majorities elected by a minority of the electorate. And that itself would be a major plus, considering the damage they have done these past 12 years. PR is genuine democracy in the sense that it is genuine majority rule. Any government must be based on the majority will of the people. FPTP is not majority rule since it allows minorities to have unfettered rule over majorities and is thus an affront to democracy. Also an affront to democracy are safe seats, and votes that dont count. Neither the trade union reforms that Margaret Thatcher pushed through nor Tony Blair’s raft of improvements to public services could have been carried through without a strong majority government. PR is inherently unstable. The Italian parliament, which uses such a system, is constantly in a state of uncertainty and has been prematurely dissolved no fewer than three times since 2008. There is also the messy process of forming a coalition. In Germany last year, this process took three months, and in 2020 Belgium ended a record-breaking 653 days without a government or prime minister due to PR and problems forming a four-way coalition. PR gives a disproportionate amount of power to minority parties and creates weak unstable governments, which may be why EU states favour PR. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2022 10:20:50 GMT
In view of recent years the myth of strong governments is obviously just that. A myth. One major gain from PR, apart from the obviously central reinforcement of democracy by ensuring that every vote counts and that outcomes genuinely reflect the will of the people, is that we'll never again get Tory governments with huge majorities elected by a minority of the electorate. And that itself would be a major plus, considering the damage they have done these past 12 years. PR is genuine democracy in the sense that it is genuine majority rule. Any government must be based on the majority will of the people. FPTP is not majority rule since it allows minorities to have unfettered rule over majorities and is thus an affront to democracy. Also an affront to democracy are safe seats, and votes that dont count. Neither the trade union reforms that Margaret Thatcher pushed through nor Tony Blair’s raft of improvements to public services could have been carried through without a strong majority government. PR is inherently unstable. The Italian parliament, which uses such a system, is constantly in a state of uncertainty and has been prematurely dissolved no fewer than three times since 2008. There is also the messy process of forming a coalition. In Germany last year, this process took three months, and in 2020 Belgium ended a record-breaking 653 days without a government or prime minister due to PR and problems forming a four-way coalition. PR gives a disproportionate amount of power to minority parties and creates weak unstable governments, which may be why EU states favour PR. Many countries do much better than us under PR systems, eg Germany. The myth that we cannot come up with something that works equally well for us is just that - a myth. It was we, after all, who drew up the German system after the war. Minority rule is not a viably democratic way of getting things done and is capable of producing such poor and ideologically driven and grotesquely unpopular measures as the Poll Tax. That atrocious idea would never have even reached first base under PR. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 5, 2022 11:34:58 GMT
Perspective - required here There's a colossal difference between calling the Conservatives nasty names "Tory Scum", which by the way I do not agree with, and threataning to murder a Labour MP, and buying a sword to carry out the act of murder. Both are unacceptable - but on the scale of magnitude, I would suggest that what Rosie Cooper was faced with, is frightening, compared to general name calling. The last MP to be actually murdered was a Tory.. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 5, 2022 18:23:41 GMT
PR gives a disproportionate amount of power to minority parties Why would it be disproportionate? Surely it would be proportionate, isn't that the idea? |
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Post by see2 on Dec 5, 2022 21:24:14 GMT
PR gives a disproportionate amount of power to minority parties Why would it be disproportionate? Surely it would be proportionate, isn't that the idea? When people mention minority parties' people like Farage and his ilk come to mind, and that would suggest that people are finally losing it. |
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