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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 24, 2024 14:07:06 GMT
I came across the analysis of the abandonment of HS2 yesterday, and was quite shocked. x.com/faisalislam/status/1815731973731787144Not only has it cost billions in waste, but the end result will actually result in a worse train system than we already have, particularly between the midlands and the north, but the London question hasn't been answered satisfactorily either. Having read the analysis, it's hard to believe that the previous government wasn't just being incompetent on purpose? 😬 |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 24, 2024 14:51:20 GMT
So you would have gone ahead with the project and built it in full?
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 24, 2024 17:26:39 GMT
The madness came in stubbornly pursuing the project once the true costs had escalated to insane levels. The money already squandered on HS2 would have gone a long way towards providing the UK with a 20th century rail network somewhat on a par with its continental neighbours, rather than a 21st century line to nowhere.
What has never been satisfactorily explained it why it costs several times more to construct a kilometer of high speed line in the UK than it does in France.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2024 19:03:04 GMT
Faisal Islam is usually wrong about most things, but the real issue is we are left with a half done, half baked project which provides little value for money.
What I do know, is that projects like this take an awful lot of time and money, and Labour only have 5 years to sort this one out, whilst whining that the economic state of the Treasury is much worse than they thought.
The costs are so high in the UK because of the solicitor's costs with all the planning enquiries, feasibility studies, H&S, followed by appeals through the court hierarchy.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 24, 2024 20:27:27 GMT
I came across the analysis of the abandonment of HS2 yesterday, and was quite shocked. x.com/faisalislam/status/1815731973731787144Not only has it cost billions in waste, but the end result will actually result in a worse train system than we already have, particularly between the midlands and the north, but the London question hasn't been answered satisfactorily either. Having read the analysis, it's hard to believe that the previous government wasn't just being incompetent on purpose? 😬 lol, it is in fact still being built and is making good progress. I got a report only a few days ago about the Northolt section. Some of those in the comments were guys working on it. I heard them say the land is still available if it were to be restarted, and they all think it should. It's lunacy to leave it half finished. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 24, 2024 21:48:41 GMT
The madness came in stubbornly pursuing the project once the true costs had escalated to insane levels. The money already squandered on HS2 would have gone a long way towards providing the UK with a 20th century rail network somewhat on a par with its continental neighbours, rather than a 21st century line to nowhere. What has never been satisfactorily explained it why it costs several times more to construct a kilometer of high speed line in the UK than it does in France. Is that a kilometre of track in Picardy where nobody gives a flying one about tbe area, or in tbe south of france where tbey definitely do and with a vengeance But the utter stupidity of HS2 is the fact when you get to tbe north london terminus, the saddo khan’t 20mph limit means all the time you gained on the train is wasted in the crawling cab. Frankly, for 1000th of the cost they could have installed serious wifi along the existing track, added a couple of ‘business’ cars offered noise canceling headsets free and all the HS2 riders with important work to achieve could do it on tbe train on the way down and never notice the time taken…. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 25, 2024 6:07:20 GMT
Just for interest... High Speed Rail 2 (HS2) is a proposed rail link between London, Manchester and Leeds with further, later, extensions to Glasgow and Edinburgh. If mentioned at all by the last or present Government, it is put forward as an entirely British idea, but it is not. And if there are complaints about the proposed rail line, no matter how many times the Government says it will ‘re-consider’ – nothing will be done. Because nothing can be done. The whole project is down to the Government in Brussels On taking office, the coalition Government announced that they had been examining the case for high speed rail in Britain since 2009, when the then Labour government established HS2 Ltd., the company responsible for overseeing its development. Few Members of Parliament know that the HS2 is not actually British policy nor understand how the EU’s transport policies affect those in Britain. Nor do they realise (as do their governments) just how long the HS2 policy has been in place. The High Speed Rail line was defined by EU Council Directive 96/48/EC as far back as 23 July 1996. A Trans-European Union Railway (TEN-R) was intended to cover the whole of the EU and HS2 was the main part of its High Speed design in Britain as was an ‘HS3’. A new rail link between Manchester and Leeds was announced on 23 June 2014 by the Chancellor George Osborne. But this, too (along with other HS Rail Lines) was conceived by the European Union and had little to do with George Osborne... www.theeuroprobe.org/2015-088-hs2-controlled-by-eu-not-our-gov/ |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 25, 2024 7:01:31 GMT
The madness came in stubbornly pursuing the project once the true costs had escalated to insane levels. The money already squandered on HS2 would have gone a long way towards providing the UK with a 20th century rail network somewhat on a par with its continental neighbours, rather than a 21st century line to nowhere. What has never been satisfactorily explained it why it costs several times more to construct a kilometer of high speed line in the UK than it does in France. Is that a kilometre of track in Picardy where nobody gives a flying one about tbe area, or in tbe south of france where tbey definitely do and with a vengeance But the utter stupidity of HS2 is the fact when you get to tbe north london terminus, the saddo khan’t 20mph limit means all the time you gained on the train is wasted in the crawling cab. Frankly, for 1000th of the cost they could have installed serious wifi along the existing track, added a couple of ‘business’ cars offered noise canceling headsets free and all the HS2 riders with important work to achieve could do it on tbe train on the way down and never notice the time taken…. I guess we could do that if we want to sink into third world status. How come China managed to build so much HS rail and at a fraction of the cost? It is because our country is stupid and backwards. It's the same as if you put the job out to Africans in Africa to build HS rail. The cost would be infinite since they would never figure out how to do it, but still get paid for making it look like they do. One of the main setbacks we have is government consultant fees. They need paying off like you need to pay off the Mafia when doing business in Italy. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 25, 2024 8:16:46 GMT
Is that a kilometre of track in Picardy where nobody gives a flying one about tbe area, or in tbe south of france where tbey definitely do and with a vengeance But the utter stupidity of HS2 is the fact when you get to tbe north london terminus, the saddo khan’t 20mph limit means all the time you gained on the train is wasted in the crawling cab. Frankly, for 1000th of the cost they could have installed serious wifi along the existing track, added a couple of ‘business’ cars offered noise canceling headsets free and all the HS2 riders with important work to achieve could do it on tbe train on the way down and never notice the time taken…. I guess we could do that if we want to sink into third world status. How come China managed to build so much HS rail and at a fraction of the cost? It is because our country is stupid and backwards. It's the same as if you put the job out to Africans in Africa to build HS rail. The cost would be infinite since they would never figure out how to do it, but still get paid for making it look like they do. One of the main setbacks we have is government consultant fees. They need paying off like you need to pay off the Mafia when doing business in Italy. First, i really don’t give a shit about china’s tech level. If you want to enjoy it, go live there under their state surveillance. Remember, i’ve dealt with the aftermath of THEM personally. I KNOW the sort of shit they try to do to a network their spyware laden iphones get near. I was the net guru at a factory in the UK one of the then applauded, but now not so applauded, playboys owned. Second and more important, this thread is about the United Kingdom and the development of HS2 I said it then and i say it now, HS2 was a total and utter waste of time and money The whole thing was pushed as a time saver for people wanting to travel from the north to the City It was promptly converted into a system to get people to a point barely inside the M25 in travel terms whereupon immediately upon disembarcation Saddo’s blanket 20mph enforced by CCTV Xi Jen Fuckwit has wet dreams over ensures every second you gained is wasted six times over Having worked all round the UK including so many of our high tech factories ‘oop narrh’ i’ve list count, i KNOW what the people want is not billions spent on faster ways for politicians that don't represent them to fuck off south to their subsidised wine bar, but faster ways to get between the towns and cuties OTHER than London We should have thrown all tbe wankers who pushed for HS2 over a cliff or down a derelict mineshaft and spent the money improving the links between all the towns and cities north of say a line of latitude going through Birmingham. Maybe a bit further south. A couple of dozen ‘sidings’ lines on the main east and west coast lines and cross country to cater for slow services calling at every station while additional 125-150 services whizz past on the extra space would create all the capacity we need at a fraction of the cost and we could have extended services people north of Watford NEED as opposed to what the odd politician fancies having |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jul 25, 2024 8:41:27 GMT
Why is Islam doing Economic Editing for the BBC? Islam should only be economically editing in Muslim countries - remove this insurgent immediately!! … enough of this FORCED ISLAMISATION of Britain by a BBC that works for BULLYING foreign Religious Factions. Sack BBC Management NOW … reconfigure the BBC Management infra-structure. Indigenous naturalised Britons need to be advising Britain’s future economic strategies … not shoe-horned insurgents with fascist religious leanings.🙄 +++++++ The madness came in stubbornly pursuing the project once the true costs had escalated to insane levels. The money already squandered on HS2 would have gone a long way towards providing the UK with a 20th century rail network somewhat on a par with its continental neighbours, rather than a 21st century line to nowhere. What has never been satisfactorily explained it why it costs several times more to construct a kilometer of high speed line in the UK than it does in France. It was a ‘white elephant’ distraction engineered by Bremainer Tories in Whitehall … determined to create an EU-style ‘elitist rail link’ that cost £££ billions … but was affordable for only a tiny super rich minority … who thought their time was too precious to sit for an additional bum-numbing 20 mins suffering the ‘indignity of having to go oop North on business’ 🙄 … These evil 🤡’s wasted the ££££billions we saved from Brexit … which would have been much better spent on Projects that would have shown BREXIT was a good idea … and sound economic sense. ….. Tidal barrier energy schemes for instance. If you stick back-stabbers in power … this is what you get … colossal WASTE … and rich cronies with their heads in the EU trough. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 25, 2024 8:51:07 GMT
Faisal Islam, that's his name....
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 25, 2024 9:27:55 GMT
Faisal Islam, that's his name.... Two things 1) one does not give someone that name without it having a meaning. But that is not the point i came here to make. The point i would make is, assuming he is of that faith, then it is absolutely haram for him to be involved in any form of finance unapproved by the prophet in any capacity It is a point i made to Natwest and to the imam of the mosque where the fully dalek suited woman who fucked up handling my notification of travel abroad, and thus left me with no access to the tens of thousands of pounds in my account on my 2014 holiday to Cancun ‘It is haram for a member of the faith to be involved in any aspect of non islamic finance’, i said. ‘Why are you employing this woman in tge capacity of front line customer facing non islamic financial services when her appearance clearly states she is one for whom such work is a violation of her religion ?’ I got no answer of course. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 25, 2024 9:29:53 GMT
John, the issue is HS2 not the journalist who highlighted the absurdity of the government cockups.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 25, 2024 11:47:20 GMT
Faisal Islam, that's his name.... With a name like that he was always going to end up at the BBC. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 25, 2024 11:48:12 GMT
Faisal Islam, that's his name.... With a name like that he was always going to end up at the BBC. True. But what's that got to do with HS2? |
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