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Post by patman post on Jul 28, 2024 13:35:39 GMT
Face it, Tories and Reform are proving to be such shit opponents — and are likely to remain so for some time — that Starmer is having to create his own opposition... Give it six months, give it until the autumn when people realise they cant afford to heat their homes, yet Milliband and Starmer are insisting that drilling for oil & gas must stop as they cover the countryside with wind turbines. Come October November the wheels are going to come off this net zero mad government very quickly. Give it a rest — you didn't even recognise that you were helping in-fighting Right-wing Tories to self-destruct and almost obliterate the party at the recent ABC election.
Who's going to turf out a government that gained 403 seats in six months...?
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 28, 2024 13:44:20 GMT
Give it six months, give it until the autumn when people realise they cant afford to heat their homes, yet Milliband and Starmer are insisting that drilling for oil & gas must stop as they cover the countryside with wind turbines. Come October November the wheels are going to come off this net zero mad government very quickly. Give it a rest — you didn't even recognise that you were helping in-fighting Right-wing Tories to self-destruct and almost obliterate the party at the recent ABC election.
Who's going to turf out a government that gained 403 seats in six months...?
I'm not talking about the Tories, and I never suggested this government were going to be 'turfed out' in six months. But with Starmer getting into bed with the EU, Raynor promising to build 1.5 million homes for illegals, Nandy asking why men in dresses should not participate in women's sport, and Milliband hell bent on forcing us into fuel poverty, then I think in six months time people who voted Labour, may be regretting it. I've said it before and I'll say it again, this pro EU, pro immigration, pro net zero Labour government has every prospect of becoming the most unpopular post war government. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 28, 2024 14:17:22 GMT
Give it a rest — you didn't even recognise that you were helping in-fighting Right-wing Tories to self-destruct and almost obliterate the party at the recent ABC election.
Who's going to turf out a government that gained 403 seats in six months...?
I'm not talking about the Tories, and I never suggested this government were going to be 'turfed out' in six months. But with Starmer getting into bed with the EU, Raynor promising to build 1.5 million homes for illegals, Nandy asking why men in dresses should not participate in women's sport, and Milliband hell bent on forcing us into fuel poverty, then I think in six months time people who voted Labour, may be regretting it. I've said it before and I'll say it again, this pro EU, pro immigration, pro net zero Labour government has every prospect of becoming the most unpopular post war government. I guess you can console yourself with those thoughts as you grizzle beneath your flag. But didn't Anyone But Conservative feeling among the electorate already give the Tories the crown as the most unpopular post-war government?
Austerity, failing NHS, high cost of living, etc, presided over by five prime ministers (one a blatant liar, another a deluded Thatcher tribute act) since 2010 just reinforced the fact that a party that's hacking itself to bits isn't a vote winner...
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 28, 2024 17:47:45 GMT
I guess you can console yourself with those thoughts as you grizzle beneath your flag. But didn't Anyone But Conservative feeling among the electorate already give the Tories the crown as the most unpopular post-war government? Austerity, failing NHS, high cost of living, etc, presided over by five prime ministers (one a blatant liar, another a deluded Thatcher tribute act) since 2010 just reinforced the fact that a party that's hacking itself to bits isn't a vote winner... Mrs R and I have indeed been sitting in the garden this afternoon, sipping something suitably decadent as I watch my beautiful union jack flutter in the breeze, it's a joy to see and tbh, I don't think I was 'grizzling', whatever grizzling might be. Austerity was a necessary evil, other than borrowing and/or increasing the tax burden there was no economic alternative to spending cuts. You claim the NHS is failing, I agree. It's been failing for fifty or sixty years, and it will continue to fail and cost £billions more, until 'a' government grasp the nettle and admit the NHS needs massive reform. And if as you claim the Tories are to blame for the high cost of living, then you obviously believe the cost of living will come down now we have a Labour government? (LOL) I cant help noticing that you neglect to mention the most expensive event in recent history. Covid cost as much as half a £trillion and lets not forget, Starmer at the despatch box criticised the government for not locking down sooner, not locking down harder, and not locking down for longer. The conservative government made mistakes during covid, no doubt about it, but thank god Labour were not in charge for that. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 29, 2024 21:50:36 GMT
I guess you can console yourself with those thoughts as you grizzle beneath your flag. But didn't Anyone But Conservative feeling among the electorate already give the Tories the crown as the most unpopular post-war government? Austerity, failing NHS, high cost of living, etc, presided over by five prime ministers (one a blatant liar, another a deluded Thatcher tribute act) since 2010 just reinforced the fact that a party that's hacking itself to bits isn't a vote winner... Mrs R and I have indeed been sitting in the garden this afternoon, sipping something suitably decadent as I watch my beautiful union jack flutter in the breeze, it's a joy to see and tbh, I don't think I was 'grizzling', whatever grizzling might be. Austerity was a necessary evil, other than borrowing and/or increasing the tax burden there was no economic alternative to spending cuts. You claim the NHS is failing, I agree. It's been failing for fifty or sixty years, and it will continue to fail and cost £billions more, until 'a' government grasp the nettle and admit the NHS needs massive reform. And if as you claim the Tories are to blame for the high cost of living, then you obviously believe the cost of living will come down now we have a Labour government? (LOL) I cant help noticing that you neglect to mention the most expensive event in recent history. Covid cost as much as half a £trillion and lets not forget, Starmer at the despatch box criticised the government for not locking down sooner, not locking down harder, and not locking down for longer. The conservative government made mistakes during covid, no doubt about it, but thank god Labour were not in charge for that. Maybe I should have posted "guzzling" rather than "grizzling".
Austerity was OK for Tory monied classes, Tory donors, and Tory friends who got million pound contracts for useless COVID PPE and other crap supplies.
The Tories panicked and eventually threw buckets of cash at everything — all because Johnson didn't act on what he must have seen what was swamping hospitals in Italy. Johnson's inept handling of the COVID pandemic led to tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths — the United Kingdom has the world's fifth highest official COVID-19 toll, far higher than the government's initial worst-case estimates of only 20,000.
Could Labour have been any worse...?
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 30, 2024 6:42:12 GMT
Mrs R and I have indeed been sitting in the garden this afternoon, sipping something suitably decadent as I watch my beautiful union jack flutter in the breeze, it's a joy to see and tbh, I don't think I was 'grizzling', whatever grizzling might be. Austerity was a necessary evil, other than borrowing and/or increasing the tax burden there was no economic alternative to spending cuts. You claim the NHS is failing, I agree. It's been failing for fifty or sixty years, and it will continue to fail and cost £billions more, until 'a' government grasp the nettle and admit the NHS needs massive reform. And if as you claim the Tories are to blame for the high cost of living, then you obviously believe the cost of living will come down now we have a Labour government? (LOL) I cant help noticing that you neglect to mention the most expensive event in recent history. Covid cost as much as half a £trillion and lets not forget, Starmer at the despatch box criticised the government for not locking down sooner, not locking down harder, and not locking down for longer. The conservative government made mistakes during covid, no doubt about it, but thank god Labour were not in charge for that. Maybe I should have posted "guzzling" rather than "grizzling".
Austerity was OK for Tory monied classes, Tory donors, and Tory friends who got million pound contracts for useless COVID PPE and other crap supplies.
The Tories panicked and eventually threw buckets of cash at everything — all because Johnson didn't act on what he must have seen what was swamping hospitals in Italy. Johnson's inept handling of the COVID pandemic led to tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths — the United Kingdom has the world's fifth highest official COVID-19 toll, far higher than the government's initial worst-case estimates of only 20,000.
Could Labour have been any worse...? wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference - even their recommendations for PPE suppliers were spivs. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 30, 2024 22:18:48 GMT
Maybe I should have posted "guzzling" rather than "grizzling".
Austerity was OK for Tory monied classes, Tory donors, and Tory friends who got million pound contracts for useless COVID PPE and other crap supplies.
The Tories panicked and eventually threw buckets of cash at everything — all because Johnson didn't act on what he must have seen what was swamping hospitals in Italy. Johnson's inept handling of the COVID pandemic led to tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths — the United Kingdom has the world's fifth highest official COVID-19 toll, far higher than the government's initial worst-case estimates of only 20,000.
Could Labour have been any worse...? wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference - even their recommendations for PPE suppliers were spivs. So you concede Labour couldn’t have been any worse. My view — after seeing the wheels come off the Johnson jalopy — is that steady Starmer would have worked with the experts to deliver a better outcome than the lying buffoon who was put in No.10, and delivered the world’s fifth highest Covid death toll… |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 30, 2024 23:02:35 GMT
wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference - even their recommendations for PPE suppliers were spivs. So you concede Labour couldn’t have been any worse. My view — after seeing the wheels come off the Johnson jalopy — is that steady Starmer would have worked with the experts to deliver a better outcome than the lying buffoon who was put in No.10, and delivered the world’s fifth highest Covid death toll… There’s plenty of room for Labour to do a worse job. They could and would have turned it into an identity politics issue. I dint think there is any reason to believe that they would have done any better . |
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Post by patman post on Jul 30, 2024 23:16:11 GMT
So you concede Labour couldn’t have been any worse. My view — after seeing the wheels come off the Johnson jalopy — is that steady Starmer would have worked with the experts to deliver a better outcome than the lying buffoon who was put in No.10, and delivered the world’s fifth highest Covid death toll… There’s plenty of room for Labour to do a worse job. They could and would have turned it into an identity politics issue. I dint think there is any reason to believe that they would have done any better . But the Tories were in power, and they did an abysmal job in pandemic control and stopping the economy being ripped off by friends and cronies… |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 30, 2024 23:22:45 GMT
There’s plenty of room for Labour to do a worse job. They could and would have turned it into an identity politics issue. I dint think there is any reason to believe that they would have done any better . But the Tories were in power, and they did an abysmal job in pandemic control and stopping the economy being ripped off by friends and cronies… You are the one who posted this “So you concede Labour couldn’t have been any worse. My view —”. Now you are running away from it |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 31, 2024 6:53:14 GMT
wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference - even their recommendations for PPE suppliers were spivs. So you concede Labour couldn’t have been any worse. My view — after seeing the wheels come off the Johnson jalopy — is that steady Starmer would have worked with the experts to deliver a better outcome than the lying buffoon who was put in No.10, and delivered the world’s fifth highest Covid death toll… Well we know what your view would be - Labour walk on water. However reality shows us exactly what Labour would have been like - nonsense like believing that shutting down half the aisles in Tescos was going to stop the spread of the virus. They were almost (almost) as bonkers as the SNP with their sawing the tops and bottoms off doors ideas. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 31, 2024 6:58:15 GMT
There’s plenty of room for Labour to do a worse job. They could and would have turned it into an identity politics issue. I dint think there is any reason to believe that they would have done any better . But the Tories were in power, and they did an abysmal job in pandemic control and stopping the economy being ripped off by friends and cronies… Rachel Reeves suggestions for suppliers were even more bonkers. A favourite being a company only incorporated in February 2020 that had only one director and shareholder. There’s no evidence of it ever having conducted any business…  |
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