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Post by om15 on Jul 19, 2024 9:17:48 GMT
Reform Chief Whip Lee Anderson has issued a statement,
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Post by Bentley on Jul 19, 2024 9:37:46 GMT
Ethnics. Muslims. Harehill is well known for its "multiculturalism" a big fuck off mosque and riots. Welcome to Labour's lawless Britain. Well if there ethnic muslims i do need to go to specsavers . Yes you do . The first video on the article shows ethnic Asians rioting and ..  Attachments:
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Post by Hutchyns on Jul 19, 2024 10:15:07 GMT
You need to look past the next 48 hours which will consist of little more than Daily Mail readers and the likes of Farage and Anderson getting into a rage.
Think what happens in a fortnight's time when the various Labour MP's, Labour Mayors etc, decide on what lessons need to be learnt.
Leeds City Chamber of Trade will be up in arms about all the bad publicity for the city, various public bodies will have some expensive bills to pay, repairing damage, buying replacement police cars etc ...... the local authority will have to spend a sizeable wedge of Council tax income on sorting things out ....meaning an increase in Council Tax next time ? ...that will put people off re-electing you.
In short, and they probably already don't need telling, but a quiet word in the ear of Social Services, telling them an unofficial off the record policy of NOT removing an more kids from households in the Harehills area needs to be implemented from this moment onwards ...... and besides that a substantial increase in public funds from the local authority needs to be directed to the Harehills community.
It's all very well observing that the Daily Mail has played a blinder in the first half ...... but when the Ref blows the final whistle, and you observe who are the actual winners of the Harehill late night floodlit game, it'll be Dregs 1 Daily Mail Readers 0.
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Post by wapentake on Jul 19, 2024 11:11:31 GMT
You need to look past the next 48 hours which will consist of little more than Daily Mail readers and the likes of Farage and Anderson getting into a rage. Think what happens in a fortnight's time when the various Labour MP's, Labour Mayors etc, decide on what lessons need to be learnt. Leeds City Chamber of Trade will be up in arms about all the bad publicity for the city, various public bodies will have some expensive bills to pay, repairing damage, buying replacement police cars etc ...... the local authority will have to spend a sizeable wedge of Council tax income on sorting things out ....meaning an increase in Council Tax next time ? ...that will put people off re-electing you. In short, and they probably already don't need telling, but a quiet word in the ear of Social Services, telling them an unofficial off the record policy of NOT removing an more kids from households in the Harehills area needs to be implemented from this moment onwards ...... and besides that a substantial increase in public funds from the local authority needs to be directed to the Harehills community. It's all very well observing that the Daily Mail has played a blinder in the first half ...... but when the Ref blows the final whistle, and you observe who are the actual winners of the Harehill late night floodlit game, it'll be Dregs 1 Daily Mail Readers 0. And if one of them comes to great harm or even worse dies then who will be complaining that social services should’ve acted instead of sitting back doing nothing,and it’s not just DM readers is it? the DM is a go to because so many other news outlets are behind a paywall This is from the grauniad From the same paper Cops can’t win can they or DM readers or anybody appalled what these people are doing,and dregs they are |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2024 15:29:13 GMT
£100k for a bus. Probably £50k for an equipped Police Car, countless other damage. And for what?
Because these Romanians are lawless and have no respect for societal norms, the social services or the Police. Behaviour like this needs stamping down on hard. Hopefully the Police will be knocking on some doors at 5am when they have analysed the videos.
My wife was saying what a difference that bus could make in our law-abiding area, where we don't get given free stuff, but have a poor bus service. If you give ppeople stuff they don't value it.
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Post by Hutchyns on Jul 19, 2024 16:05:38 GMT
wapentake
It's in the nature of the job in some cases. If you exercise the enormous power of being able to march into a person's home and forcibly take their kids away, you just have to get it right. And if you've had a few tip offs about a kid being ill treated and decide to put it on your 'to do list' after your fortnight's holiday is over .... in the meantime the kid is beaten or starved to death ..... you can't just chalk it off to experience.
Today's news, Malkinson ..... even if you get one case wrong and leave a guy festering in a prison cell for a decade or more longer than necessary, because you didn't act appropriately, then people don't say never mind it's just the one mistake, they want you removed.
Last week, it was Kimberley Cheatle saying we generally have a pretty good record at the Secret Service and don't allow people to shoot former Presidents ..... but that cuts no ice, one mistake and you're most likely for the chop.
Low standards or incorrect decisions just aren't acceptable at times, and long may that continue to be so .... for the sake of kids, parents, the innocent, former Presidents, as well as a host of others for whom luck of the draw just isn't good enough.
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Post by wapentake on Jul 19, 2024 17:09:59 GMT
wapentake It's in the nature of the job in some cases. If you exercise the enormous power of being able to march into a person's home and forcibly take their kids away, you just have to get it right. And if you've had a few tip offs about a kid being ill treated and decide to put it on your 'to do list' after your fortnight's holiday is over .... in the meantime the kid is beaten or starved to death ..... you can't just chalk it off to experience. Today's news, Malkinson ..... even if you get one case wrong and leave a guy festering in a prison cell for a decade or more longer than necessary, because you didn't act appropriately, then people don't say never mind it's just the one mistake, they want you removed. Last week, it was Kimberley Cheatle saying we generally have a pretty good record at the Secret Service and don't allow people to shoot former Presidents ..... but that cuts no ice, one mistake and you're most likely for the chop. Low standards or incorrect decisions just aren't acceptable at times, and long may that continue to be so .... for the sake of kids, parents, the innocent, former Presidents, as well as a host of others for whom luck of the draw just isn't good enough. If you object to those you deem wielding enormous power then rioting is not the route to take,unless you are of criminal intent at the outset. |
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Post by om15 on Jul 19, 2024 18:16:46 GMT
Looks like they are going for it again tonight, been a hot day and they will have been on the weed, a nice chicken supper and out with the a box of matches for round two.
The Police should use water cannon and tear gas, Lee Anderson is right.
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Post by Hutchyns on Jul 19, 2024 19:23:56 GMT
wapentake A pleasure as always to be conversing with you Mr.W  . Let's term it a triviality if that's preferable, but for many kids the very thought that people even exist who are allowed to come into your house and take you away from your Mum & Dad would in itself be enough to give you nightmares, let alone actually experience it. But the option to downplay such authority is a free choice open to all. Even our beloved Daily Mail use the headline 'Harrowing Moment Boy Is Hauled From His Home And Bundled Into A Police Van' As I think my previous post made abundantly clear (citing 3 or 4 examples), people will object to big power and big responsibility being wielded badly. Social Services and the Police go about their jobs numerous times every day, and a riot isn't the outcome. To pre-judge that this was an objection to Social Services or the Police solely on the basis of who they are, and the large or trivial powers vested in them, rather than an objection to a perceived lack of justification for the actions witnessed, seems to me to reach a conclusion for which evidence has not yet been presented. We all disapprove of riots, just as we should disapprove of inciting riots. 'It was an incident that was probably misinterpreted I would say.' observes the boss of Leeds City Council. And just how bad a misinterpretation was it to agitate and upset children and parents to the extent it did, and who should have done most to avoid that ?, and who bears most responsibility ? And in such circumstances when there are kids involved, people won't just go indoors and start writing a letter of complaint to their local councillor. As Councillor Ali stated: 'Legitimate anger is appropriate'. Only when we learn more facts can a proportionate justifiable level of anger be calculated. I don't doubt there are examples of over-reaction. But for the moment I'd be cautious about claiming it was the actions of one side only that inflamed a situation that got out of hand. |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 19, 2024 19:50:36 GMT
wapentake A pleasure as always to be conversing with you Mr.W . Let's term it a triviality if that's preferable, but for many kids the very thought that people even exist who are allowed to come into your house and take you away from your Mum & Dad would in itself be enough to give you nightmares, let alone actually experience it. But the option to downplay such authority is a free choice open to all. Even our beloved Daily Mail use the headline 'Harrowing Moment Boy Is Hauled From His Home And Bundled Into A Police Van' As I think my previous post made abundantly clear (citing 3 or 4 examples), people will object to big power and big responsibility being wielded badly. Social Services and the Police go about their jobs numerous times every day, and a riot isn't the outcome. To pre-judge that this was an objection to Social Services or the Police solely on the basis of who they are, and the large or trivial powers vested in them, rather than an objection to a perceived lack of justification for the actions witnessed, seems to me to reach a conclusion for which evidence has not yet been presented. We all disapprove of riots, just as we should disapprove of inciting riots. 'It was an incident that was probably misinterpreted I would say.' observes the boss of Leeds City Council. And just how bad a misinterpretation was it to agitate and upset children and parents to the extent it did, and who should have done most to avoid that ?, and who bears most responsibility ? And in such circumstances when there are kids involved, people won't just go indoors and start writing a letter of complaint to their local councillor. As Councillor Ali stated: 'Legitimate anger is appropriate'. Only when we learn more facts can a proportionate justifiable level of anger be calculated. I don't doubt there are examples of over-reaction. But for the moment I'd be cautious about claiming it was the actions of one side only that inflamed a situation that got out of hand. Writing badly in bold doesn’t mean that is what happened and even were it the case as said previously rioting isn’t the answer,rioting isn’t over reacting it is criminality |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 19, 2024 20:19:53 GMT
wapentake A pleasure as always to be conversing with you Mr.W . The pleasure is all yours  That was a joke btw,more than happy to exchange ideas even though yours are wrong  Be a boring place if we all agreed. |
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Post by Hutchyns on Jul 19, 2024 20:23:16 GMT
wapentake
It isn't meant to. It is to draw attention to the mischaracterisation in the quote from you that I highlighted, that the objection is to those who wield the power, and not as I had explained with examples, an objection when they appear to wield power badly. A crucial distinction in my view, that needed correcting.
Of course it doesn't mean that is what happened in this case, which is why I wrote 'an objection to a perceived lack of justification for the actions witnessed' and was at pains to caution against drawing premature conclusions.
Yet equally, it doesn't mean that isn't what happened, and therefore I gave a couple of examples from topical news stories, Malkinson , where we know for certain that it did happen, and Secret Service chief Cheatle, where it's probably fair to assume with 99% certainty that it did happen.
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Post by Hutchyns on Jul 19, 2024 20:34:35 GMT
wapentake I agree with some of that. You're still on my Christmas Card list. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 19, 2024 20:36:02 GMT
 Evidently the principal troublemakers in Harehills were not Pakistanis, or blacks, but rather 'Romanians'.
"Harehills is one of the most diverse areas of Leeds, with 43 per cent of residents born outside the UK. The council ward it sits within is among the most deprived 3 per cent of wards in the country."
"Terezia Rostas, founder of a charity supporting young Roma people in care, said the family had been the victims of “systematic racism”.
She said that Roma families were “often being unfairly judged and scrutinized compared to non-Roma families”, adding: “Common issues include cultural misunderstandings, prejudice, and stereotypes that paint Roma parents as neglectful or harmful without substantial evidence.”
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 19, 2024 21:10:22 GMT
Well if you support Freedom of Movement then its only to be expected that the UK will end up importing the same ethnic strife as already exists in Eastern Europe - there is nothing special about the UK.
If you fling the doors open then you cant complain who walks through.
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. Let's term it a triviality if that's preferable, but for many kids the very thought that people even exist who are allowed to come into your house and take you away from your Mum & Dad would in itself be enough to give you nightmares, let alone actually experience it. But the option to downplay such authority is a free choice open to all. Even our beloved Daily Mail use the headline 'Harrowing Moment Boy Is Hauled From His Home And Bundled Into A Police Van'
