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Post by wapentake on Jul 17, 2024 21:47:06 GMT
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 18, 2024 7:24:49 GMT
From the article .....
"The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders moved to reassure owners of hybrid cars.
A spokesman for the trade body, representing carmakers operating in the UK, said: ‘Safety is the number one priority for the automotive industry and vehicle fires are rare."
The problem is, I got my driving licence fifty one years ago and since then have ridden mopeds and motorcycles, driven cars, vans, lorries and a tank. In all that time I have only personally seen three internal combustion engine vehicles on fire, one a van at the side of the M25, and another a lorry whose fuel tanks ruptured after he ran straight over and flattened a ford fiesta with the occupants still in it....
and driven past the wreckage of five more, (but they were all five series BMWs from a Warwickshire dealership that didn't PDI them properly and let them be sold with improper radiator fan wiring)
In the last two years I have seen six EVs smouldering at the roadside. I don't know of any 12 / 13 plate Nissan Leafs (like the one I had) that had that problem.
I quite simply fear the race for more range has led to vehicles with less safe configurations,
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 18, 2024 7:30:37 GMT
From the article ..... "The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders moved to reassure owners of hybrid cars. A spokesman for the trade body, representing carmakers operating in the UK, said: ‘Safety is the number one priority for the automotive industry and vehicle fires are rare." The problem is, I got my driving licence fifty one years ago and since then have ridden mopeds and motorcycles, driven cars, vans, lorries and a tank. In all that time I have only personally seen three internal combustion engine vehicles on fire, one a van at the side of the M25, and another a lorry whose fuel tanks ruptured after he ran straight over and flattened a ford fiesta with the occupants still in it.... and driven past the wreckage of five more, (but they were all five series BMWs from a Warwickshire dealership that didn't PDI them properly and let them be sold with improper radiator fan wiring) In the last two years I have seen six EVs smouldering at the roadside. I don't know of any 12 / 13 plate Nissan Leafs (like the one I had) that had that problem. I quite simply fear the race for more range has led to vehicles with less safe configurations, I don't suppose the stupid bastards found out what caused the problem. If "safety is our number one concern" then the obvious thing to do is diagnose the problem and fix it. (Cure headless chickens and stupid spastics from the PR department issuing nonsense statements). |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 18, 2024 7:40:38 GMT
Volvo is owned by Geely who are ultimately responsible for product safety.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 18, 2024 7:52:01 GMT
Volvo is owned by Geely who are ultimately responsible for product safety. All we have is anonymous spokespersons talking their usual shit. It's typical of the system we live in. No one gives their name when you speak to them, but they always want your name. |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 18, 2024 8:27:32 GMT
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 18, 2024 10:53:10 GMT
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Post by Handyman on Jul 18, 2024 12:00:32 GMT
Too expensive, too heavy, not enough range, and not enough charging stations especially in rural areas it will take years to install them, plus when they catch fire they burn rapidly intense heat it takes two fire tenders to extinguish them. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 18, 2024 13:31:10 GMT
Too expensive, too heavy, not enough range, and not enough charging stations especially in rural areas it will take years to install them, plus when they catch fire they burn rapidly intense heat it takes two fire tenders to extinguish them. Now lets imagine a time when they are about 1/3 of the price of standard cars. I don't know if you realise, but at the moment a new car's cost is 40% the cost of the chips. That's a big amount and China is making these automotive chips for about 1/70 of the cost according to my sources. The EU countries were originally supplying these chips, but now China can make them as well and and are severely undercutting them. The other expensive thing is the battery, but I hear reports of new batteries which are estimated to cost only 8% of what we are paying now. So it is a safe bet that EVs will come crashing down in price, but meanwhile getting better and more reliable. I really don't think range will be an issue either. The new ones are giving up to 1000km range and I think you will find in the future people will simply charge at home. In fact what you can do is use solar to charge them for free and when you are not using it, the car battery can generate an income by being plugged into the grid as an energy trader, i.e. buy leccy when cheap and sell when expensive. And finally the cars of the future will not catch fire. These are teething problems. |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 18, 2024 13:39:13 GMT
Too expensive, too heavy, not enough range, and not enough charging stations especially in rural areas it will take years to install them, plus when they catch fire they burn rapidly intense heat it takes two fire tenders to extinguish them. Now lets imagine a time when they are about 1/3 of the price of standard cars. I don't know if you realise, but at the moment a new car's cost is 40% the cost of the chips. That's a big amount and China is making these automotive chips for about 1/70 of the cost according to my sources. The EU countries were originally supplying these chips, but now China can make them as well and and are severely undercutting them. The other expensive thing is the battery, but I hear reports of new batteries which are estimated to cost only 8% of what we are paying now. So it is a safe bet that EVs will come crashing down in price, but meanwhile getting better and more reliable. I really don't think range will be an issue either. The new ones are giving up to 1000km range and I think you will find in the future people will simply charge at home. In fact what you can do is use solar to charge them for free and when you are not using it, the car battery can generate an income by being plugged into the grid as an energy trader, i.e. buy leccy when cheap and sell when expensive. And finally the cars of the future will not catch fire. These are teething problems. How can people that live in High Rise Flats, or houses without a drive charge their electric cars ? as for China I know you are besotted with them but I do not trust them one bit |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 18, 2024 14:35:20 GMT
Now lets imagine a time when they are about 1/3 of the price of standard cars. I don't know if you realise, but at the moment a new car's cost is 40% the cost of the chips. That's a big amount and China is making these automotive chips for about 1/70 of the cost according to my sources. The EU countries were originally supplying these chips, but now China can make them as well and and are severely undercutting them. The other expensive thing is the battery, but I hear reports of new batteries which are estimated to cost only 8% of what we are paying now. So it is a safe bet that EVs will come crashing down in price, but meanwhile getting better and more reliable. I really don't think range will be an issue either. The new ones are giving up to 1000km range and I think you will find in the future people will simply charge at home. In fact what you can do is use solar to charge them for free and when you are not using it, the car battery can generate an income by being plugged into the grid as an energy trader, i.e. buy leccy when cheap and sell when expensive. And finally the cars of the future will not catch fire. These are teething problems. How can people that live in High Rise Flats, or houses without a drive charge their electric cars ? as for China I know you are besotted with them but I do not trust them one bit I can see the Brits having trouble with these things. In countries run by intelligent people they would put the chargers where the cars are parked. If there are not any chargers in a flat of the future, then the only people who would move there would be those who never used a car. It's going to be just another of those things you will see more of, just as you would have seen post boxes pop up everywhere as the Royal Mail started all those years ago. As for not trusting China, well I suggest you should cancel your subscription to the Daily Mail. They just talk shit about them all day long, not realising the Chinese have got their acts together far better than we have. I'm a realist, not besotted by them. You see, you just like to find negativity in everything. Engineers though think quite differently and aim to fix problems and improve stuff. China has far more than we do. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 18, 2024 14:40:07 GMT
From the article ..... "The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders moved to reassure owners of hybrid cars. A spokesman for the trade body, representing carmakers operating in the UK, said: ‘Safety is the number one priority for the automotive industry and vehicle fires are rare." The problem is, I got my driving licence fifty one years ago and since then have ridden mopeds and motorcycles, driven cars, vans, lorries and a tank. In all that time I have only personally seen three internal combustion engine vehicles on fire, one a van at the side of the M25, and another a lorry whose fuel tanks ruptured after he ran straight over and flattened a ford fiesta with the occupants still in it.... and driven past the wreckage of five more, (but they were all five series BMWs from a Warwickshire dealership that didn't PDI them properly and let them be sold with improper radiator fan wiring) In the last two years I have seen six EVs smouldering at the roadside. I don't know of any 12 / 13 plate Nissan Leafs (like the one I had) that had that problem. I quite simply fear the race for more range has led to vehicles with less safe configurations, Look at Boeing's recent list of technical failures. They used to be reliable, but now the US is run in the same cack-handed way as we are since of course we copy all that they do. I was hearing from a software engineer the other day who told me that in his job quality control just does not exist. If the customer freaks out they just bullshit them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2024 19:47:51 GMT
Just a note.
That vehicle was a plug-in hybrid. There are 3 types of electric and hybrid.
1. Pure electric, charging via a cable and no internal combustion engine.
2. Plug-in hybrid where the vehicle can be charged by cable to supplement the I.C.E.
3. Self charging hybrid, usually with a relatively small battery which is charged by the engine, or by braking using regen, or when going downhill or decelrating, when they charge quite gently.
The problem seems to be in the quality of the battery manufacture, which leads to fires, and fierce ones at that.
As the owner of type 3 above I am very aware when carrying grandchildren that they are sitting just above the battery built in just below their seat. Stories like this are alarming.
The safest car for no fires has to be a diesel., surely.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 18, 2024 21:21:13 GMT
I see that Fiat are the first car manufacturer to take an EV model and stick a petrol engine in it because the customer doesn't want EV's they want ICE. The market always wins..  |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 19, 2024 0:12:21 GMT
I see that Fiat are the first car manufacturer to take an EV model and stick a petrol engine in it because the customer doesn't want EV's they want ICE. The market always wins.. Moaning bitches.
I recall it was the same for every version of M$ Windows. Everyone hated it at first, then they get used to it and then want to keep it because they start hating the next one out. It's the Luddite in them.
Next it will be, I'm never going to fly in one of those, I'll stick with my EV.
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