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Post by see2 on Jul 18, 2024 11:42:00 GMT
Yeah, I get that. Starmer can't be trusted, and I agree he will try and align the UK closer and appease their demands. There was one reason why Boris didn't want to offer defense and security into trade negotiations with the EU, because he knew they were desperate for it and this was sacrosanct to him like the Single Market is to the EU. Look at them now rubbing their hands at the prospect of subordinating a second nuclear power, with sophisticated intelligence, defense industry and personnel along with the soft power that Britain brings with it. This is why Macron invented the EPC to get Britain in and around the backdoor of the EU, as his country alone doesn't have the means to help secure Europe. Starmer will no doubt hand this all over on a plate whereas Boris wouldn't. The EU will get the cherry on the cake with their Brexit deal now with Starmer basically offering up all our expertise, The bonus for them will be that they'll probably tie Britain into it with all sorts of legal obligations and payments (as they usually do with their notorious "frameworks"), and will look at the UK as best to see what they can rinse from it, giving little in return. We will not go back in the EU. That has now been finalised. A ton of business investment was stalled due to other nations not understanding what the hell we were going to do. Starmer has finally understood we will not be let back in anyway. The thing is perhaps he will make some agreements. Who cares. What we got to know is the performance. We can measure that quite easily, e.g. number of immigrants here illegally who get sent back, the average earnings, tax rate, import/export figures etc. Any agreement can be reversed by the next government. Starmer is not as free to move as people think. Only 1/3 of the country voted for his party, so it could all fall apart if his term does not show some improvement over the Tories. Out of that 1/3 only 5% voted for his policies, so that is 1.66% of the electorate. Starmer ruled out rejoining the EU and accepted Brexit in May 2022. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 18, 2024 11:45:41 GMT
We will not go back in the EU. That has now been finalised. A ton of business investment was stalled due to other nations not understanding what the hell we were going to do. Starmer has finally understood we will not be let back in anyway. The thing is perhaps he will make some agreements. Who cares. What we got to know is the performance. We can measure that quite easily, e.g. number of immigrants here illegally who get sent back, the average earnings, tax rate, import/export figures etc. Any agreement can be reversed by the next government. Starmer is not as free to move as people think. Only 1/3 of the country voted for his party, so it could all fall apart if his term does not show some improvement over the Tories. Out of that 1/3 only 5% voted for his policies, so that is 1.66% of the electorate. Starmer ruled out rejoining the EU and accepted Brexit in May 2022. LOL......... so what you are telling us it took him 6 years to accept Brexit, after he'd exhausted every avenue to try and Cancel it.... you don't alf put your foot in it. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 18, 2024 11:49:36 GMT
There no prove he was invoved the cps said he wasnt Starmer was the boss of the CPS The buck always stops with the boss There is no 'Buck' to be passed when everyone is acting legally and are following correct procedures. As in the Starmer and CPS situation. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 18, 2024 11:53:19 GMT
Starmer was the boss of the CPS The buck always stops with the boss There is no 'Buck' to be passed when everyone is acting legally and are following correct procedures. As in the Starmer and CPS situation. Have you had many dealings with solicitors or lawyers as regards legal proceedings. The 'correct' procedures ensure they are well reimbursed for their input and being reasonable, a key principle in law, is not part of that. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 18, 2024 12:10:54 GMT
Starmer was the boss of the CPS The buck always stops with the boss There is no 'Buck' to be passed when everyone is acting legally and are following correct procedures. As in the Starmer and CPS situation. What on earth are you wittering about now? Ultimate responsibility for any organisational issue/decision/action always remains with the boss ie the buck stops with the boss. You would have understood that truism if you had any idea whatsoever of how to run a business especially in the private sector |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 18, 2024 13:17:20 GMT
Starmer ruled out rejoining the EU and accepted Brexit in May 2022. LOL......... so what you are telling us it took him 6 years to accept Brexit, after he'd exhausted every avenue to try and Cancel it.... you don't alf put your foot in it. The thing is, if Corbyn had honoured the referendum, Labour would have won in 2019. I wonder how long it will take them to realise the woke agenda is kaput. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 18, 2024 13:24:37 GMT
LOL......... so what you are telling us it took him 6 years to accept Brexit, after he'd exhausted every avenue to try and Cancel it.... you don't alf put your foot in it. The thing is, if Corbyn had honoured the referendum, Labour would have won in 2019. I wonder how long it will take them to realise the woke agenda is kaput. Probably, it cost Labour and as for the Lib-dems Swinson lost her seat, daft mare. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 19, 2024 13:45:48 GMT
Starmer ruled out rejoining the EU and accepted Brexit in May 2022. LOL......... so what you are telling us it took him 6 years to accept Brexit, after he'd exhausted every avenue to try and Cancel it.... you don't alf put your foot in it. He made the change when he recognised that he had no option. If only the 'Lady' (LOL) who stated she was not for changing, had changed some of her nonsense so many people would have been so much better off. Even Industry could have benefitted. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 19, 2024 13:53:01 GMT
LOL......... so what you are telling us it took him 6 years to accept Brexit, after he'd exhausted every avenue to try and Cancel it.... you don't alf put your foot in it. The thing is, if Corbyn had honoured the referendum, Labour would have won in 2019. I wonder how long it will take them to realise the woke agenda is kaput. It looks like it has already happened, in a far shorter period of time than it will Take the failure after failure Rightists i.e. the real dozy woke on the Right to wake up. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 20, 2024 13:07:45 GMT
I'll take that with a large pinch of salt Buccaneer. It's Robert Lee's opinion nothing more. The fact is we don't know what Starmer will do, yet. But we do know the EU are very keen to have their own armed forces and a UK-EU defence and security pact would not only place UK armed forces under the command of Brussels but would also be a threat to NATO. Starmer is very pro EU, within minutes of entering number 10 he appointed an EU minister and sent him to Brussels. I would suggest, as far as Brexit is concerned, the future is at best, uncertain. Perhaps Robert Lee should write a supporting article in three or four years time when he can refer to facts rather than his opinion. Brexit is safe, the EU says so. As far as I'm aware, even if the UK decided it was a necessity to rejoin the EU, it would take ages of renegotiations to make it happen, even then if it happen it is doubtful that the UK could negotiate as good a deal as they had before leaving. The likelihood of it ever happening is as close to zero as it is possible to get. . LOL, I didn't realise you had such a keen sense of humour. As the following months and indeed years pass it will become increasingly obvious that 'Brexit' has become meaningless. Yes of course Starmer will be at pains to point out, to insist that the UK will not re-join the EU, that would cause too much of a stink, he will essentially ignore Brexit. Starmer will accept EU laws rules and diktats, and the EU know it. The UK will, in all but name, become the 28th EU state once more. Most political commentators are expecting Starmer to accept EU migrant quotas of 100,000 a year, every year, which we didn't even do when we were in the EU. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 20, 2024 15:42:00 GMT
There is no 'Buck' to be passed when everyone is acting legally and are following correct procedures. As in the Starmer and CPS situation. What on earth are you wittering about now? Ultimate responsibility for any organisational issue/decision/action always remains with the boss ie the buck stops with the boss. You would have understood that truism if you had any idea whatsoever of how to run a business especially in the private sector You need to check what did happen in the Saville situation. The police did not put a case forward for prosecution because the only witness they had was not prepared to stand up in court and make her case. So they were unable to put a case together. The CPS works on the system where the police put a case to the CPS, which is passed to a list of lawyers, who decide if the case should be proceeded with, it is then passed to top lawyers including Starmer to see if it is a winnable case. In the Saville problem, it didn't pass the initial requirement. So it never even got into the system. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 20, 2024 15:46:56 GMT
Brexit is safe, the EU says so. As far as I'm aware, even if the UK decided it was a necessity to rejoin the EU, it would take ages of renegotiations to make it happen, even then if it happen it is doubtful that the UK could negotiate as good a deal as they had before leaving. The likelihood of it ever happening is as close to zero as it is possible to get. . LOL, I didn't realise you had such a keen sense of humour. As the following months and indeed years pass it will become increasingly obvious that 'Brexit' has become meaningless. Yes of course Starmer will be at pains to point out, to insist that the UK will not re-join the EU, that would cause too much of a stink, he will essentially ignore Brexit. Starmer will accept EU laws rules and diktats, and the EU know it. The UK will, in all but name, become the 28th EU state once more. Most political commentators are expecting Starmer to accept EU migrant quotas of 100,000 a year, every year, which we didn't even do when we were in the EU. The EU state that Brexit is not negotiable. It isn't up to the UK we have no authority in the EU. Your project fear has turned into sour grapes. You are creating your own pain by allowing your imagination to run wild. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 20, 2024 16:13:23 GMT
The EU state that Brexit is not negotiable. It isn't up to the UK we have no authority in the EU. Your project fear has turned into sour grapes. You are creating your own pain by allowing your imagination to run wild. Five minutes after Starmer walked into number 10 he appointing an EU minister and despatched him to Brussels, no doubt for instructions. My imagination is indeed running wild. We'll pick this up in six months... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2024 20:56:45 GMT
The EU state that Brexit is not negotiable. It isn't up to the UK we have no authority in the EU. Your project fear has turned into sour grapes. You are creating your own pain by allowing your imagination to run wild. Five minutes after Starmer walked into number 10 he appointing an EU minister and despatching him to Brussels, no doubt for instructions. My imagination is indeed running wild. We'll pick this up in six months... They wants our fish, Rackham, they wants our luvverly fish. The fisheries thing has really hurt the French and Spanish. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 21, 2024 5:41:23 GMT
Five minutes after Starmer walked into number 10 he appointing an EU minister and despatching him to Brussels, no doubt for instructions. My imagination is indeed running wild. We'll pick this up in six months... They wants our fish, Rackham, they wants our luvverly fish. The fisheries thing has really hurt the French and Spanish. And the UK... |
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