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Post by ratcliff on Jul 17, 2024 16:57:21 GMT
What has Starmer achieved in life apart from creating a false reality for himself and those around him? Sent millions of crimemals to prision . Sorted a political party out. Then won a general ekection with a landside victory. Eh? What on earth are you wittering about now? |
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 17, 2024 16:59:33 GMT
That does answer the question put. There no prove he was invoved the cps said he wasnt Starmer was the boss of the CPS The buck always stops with the boss |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 17, 2024 17:18:41 GMT
Fear not Brexit is safe. Starmer will try and tinker around the edges, maybe even sell out our national defence policy to Macron & co if we're really unlucky. Read why Brexit is safe under this Labour government: www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/is-brexit-safe-under-labour/Rather than being a threat to Brexit, the change of government in the UK is more likely to demonstrate its permanence. The mood music will improve, but changes to the EU/UK relationship may be largely cosmetic. The EU faces continued
stagnation at best, and collapse at worst, so the Labour government’s desperate search for sources of economic growth should compel them to utilise Brexit freedoms.
The biggest test for Brexit was always going to be the election of a government dominated by Remainers. It is understandable that some Brexiteers fear that the long-desired restoration of national independence may now be reversed. This article
argues that these fears are misplaced. Compelling and intertwined political and economic forces suggest that instead Brexit will prove to have been permanently cemented. What are these forces?
On its own analysis the incoming government faces enormous challenges – including a “broken” NHS, declining public sector productivity, an ageing population, growing numbers on long term sick leave, a rising backlash against high immigration,
excessive government debt and a record tax burden – which cannot realistically be overcome without sustained higher economic growth. Ironically, this was the argument that won Liz Truss the Prime Ministership, and although she disastrously
failed on implementation this thesis is now central to the Starmer/Reeves strategy. The new government has a freakishly large parliamentary majority but was elected with only 33.7% of the votes cast in a low turnover election. Will it waste what
political capital it has on a highly divisive and hopeless quest to rejoin the EU, which would do little or nothing to boost economic growth? It is no accident that the Labour manifesto explicitly rules out any attempt to join the single market or customs union.Read on: www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/is-brexit-safe-under-labour/I'll take that with a large pinch of salt Buccaneer. It's Robert Lee's opinion nothing more. The fact is we don't know what Starmer will do, yet. But we do know the EU are very keen to have their own armed forces and a UK-EU defence and security pact would not only place UK armed forces under the command of Brussels but would also be a threat to NATO. Starmer is very pro EU, within minutes of entering number 10 he appointed an EU minister and sent him to Brussels. I would suggest, as far as Brexit is concerned, the future is at best, uncertain. Perhaps Robert Lee should write a supporting article in three or four years time when he can refer to facts rather than his opinion. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 17, 2024 17:20:13 GMT
Did he mention his father was a toolmaker? No one would doubt it.  |
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 17, 2024 20:30:53 GMT
Fear not Brexit is safe. Starmer will try and tinker around the edges, maybe even sell out our national defence policy to Macron & co if we're really unlucky. Read why Brexit is safe under this Labour government: www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/is-brexit-safe-under-labour/Rather than being a threat to Brexit, the change of government in the UK is more likely to demonstrate its permanence. The mood music will improve, but changes to the EU/UK relationship may be largely cosmetic. The EU faces continued
stagnation at best, and collapse at worst, so the Labour government’s desperate search for sources of economic growth should compel them to utilise Brexit freedoms.
The biggest test for Brexit was always going to be the election of a government dominated by Remainers. It is understandable that some Brexiteers fear that the long-desired restoration of national independence may now be reversed. This article
argues that these fears are misplaced. Compelling and intertwined political and economic forces suggest that instead Brexit will prove to have been permanently cemented. What are these forces?
On its own analysis the incoming government faces enormous challenges – including a “broken” NHS, declining public sector productivity, an ageing population, growing numbers on long term sick leave, a rising backlash against high immigration,
excessive government debt and a record tax burden – which cannot realistically be overcome without sustained higher economic growth. Ironically, this was the argument that won Liz Truss the Prime Ministership, and although she disastrously
failed on implementation this thesis is now central to the Starmer/Reeves strategy. The new government has a freakishly large parliamentary majority but was elected with only 33.7% of the votes cast in a low turnover election. Will it waste what
political capital it has on a highly divisive and hopeless quest to rejoin the EU, which would do little or nothing to boost economic growth? It is no accident that the Labour manifesto explicitly rules out any attempt to join the single market or customs union.Read on: www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/is-brexit-safe-under-labour/I'll take that with a large pinch of salt Buccaneer. It's Robert Lee's opinion nothing more. The fact is we don't know what Starmer will do, yet. But we do know the EU are very keen to have their own armed forces and a UK-EU defence and security pact would not only place UK armed forces under the command of Brussels but would also be a threat to NATO. Starmer is very pro EU, within minutes of entering number 10 he appointed an EU minister and sent him to Brussels. I would suggest, as far as Brexit is concerned, the future is at best, uncertain. Perhaps Robert Lee should write a supporting article in three or four years time when he can refer to facts rather than his opinion. Then I'll ask you what Lee asked in the article? Will it (Labour) waste what political capital it has on a highly divisive and hopeless quest to rejoin the EU, which would do little or nothing to boost economic growth? Starmer will tinker around the edges, sniff a few a-holes in Brussels, hell, he'll probably give up British sovereignty in defense to Macron and gang which will come with swathes of regulation and compliance objectives. But Brexit itself will be safe. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 17, 2024 21:24:03 GMT
Then I'll ask you what Lee asked in the article? Will it (Labour) waste what political capital it has on a highly divisive and hopeless quest to rejoin the EU, which would do little or nothing to boost economic growth? Starmer will tinker around the edges, sniff a few a-holes in Brussels, hell, he'll probably give up British sovereignty in defense to Macron and gang which will come with swathes of regulation and compliance objectives. But Brexit itself will be safe. You're asking what if! Robert Lee is predicting the future. The fact is, we don't know. We are five minutes into a five year government led by socialist lawyer. Those are facts. I suspect there may be trouble ahead, but hey that's a guess. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 18, 2024 7:09:36 GMT
Then I'll ask you what Lee asked in the article? Will it (Labour) waste what political capital it has on a highly divisive and hopeless quest to rejoin the EU, which would do little or nothing to boost economic growth? Starmer will tinker around the edges, sniff a few a-holes in Brussels, hell, he'll probably give up British sovereignty in defense to Macron and gang which will come with swathes of regulation and compliance objectives. But Brexit itself will be safe. You're asking what if! Robert Lee is predicting the future. The fact is, we don't know. We are five minutes into a five year government led by socialist lawyer. Those are facts. I suspect there may be trouble ahead, but hey that's a guess. We don't know. But you're saying Starmer is taking the UK back into the EU! Unless he's going to halt all those new trade deals (CPTTP), give up the pound and everything else that would entail joining the low growth of the EU, I'd say there is more chance in hell freezing over before making that kind of upheaval. He'll lick some bottoms, sell out our our armed forces to French/German generals, but that's really the extent of the damage he can do. Which is damaging enough, but we won't be rejoining the EU. It's not worth it, even for him. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 18, 2024 7:46:29 GMT
You're asking what if! Robert Lee is predicting the future. The fact is, we don't know. We are five minutes into a five year government led by socialist lawyer. Those are facts. I suspect there may be trouble ahead, but hey that's a guess. We don't know. But you're saying Starmer is taking the UK back into the EU! Unless he's going to halt all those new trade deals (CPTTP), give up the pound and everything else that would entail joining the low growth of the EU, I'd say there is more chance in hell freezing over before making that kind of upheaval. He'll lick some bottoms, sell out our our armed forces to French/German generals, but that's really the extent of the damage he can do. Which is damaging enough, but we won't be rejoining the EU. It's not worth it, even for him. There is joining and there is aligning. Joining is not on the cards as it would realistically not be possible, but alignment is perfectly possible with obedience to many EU rules and taking instructions from Brussels with some form of access to the 'benefits'. Turkey is aligning in many ways and gets benefits. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 18, 2024 8:01:56 GMT
You're asking what if! Robert Lee is predicting the future. The fact is, we don't know. We are five minutes into a five year government led by socialist lawyer. Those are facts. I suspect there may be trouble ahead, but hey that's a guess. We don't know. But you're saying Starmer is taking the UK back into the EU! Unless he's going to halt all those new trade deals (CPTTP), give up the pound and everything else that would entail joining the low growth of the EU, I'd say there is more chance in hell freezing over before making that kind of upheaval. He'll lick some bottoms, sell out our our armed forces to French/German generals, but that's really the extent of the damage he can do. Which is damaging enough, but we won't be rejoining the EU. It's not worth it, even for him. Starmer can't be trusted he's a fully fledged Europhile, what we don't want is handing over the same amount of cash to the EU every year but without the perks of being a member (not that we had many perks).
He's only interested in their interests, he can tie us back up with them which will be rejoining in all but name, Lammy can't wait to kiss ass, I can guarantee you what ever deal these two clowns sign us up to it will be more beneficial to the EU ... 100%
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 18, 2024 8:26:28 GMT
We don't know. But you're saying Starmer is taking the UK back into the EU! Unless he's going to halt all those new trade deals (CPTTP), give up the pound and everything else that would entail joining the low growth of the EU, I'd say there is more chance in hell freezing over before making that kind of upheaval. He'll lick some bottoms, sell out our our armed forces to French/German generals, but that's really the extent of the damage he can do. Which is damaging enough, but we won't be rejoining the EU. It's not worth it, even for him. Starmer can't be trusted he's a fully fledged Europhile, what we don't want is handing over the same amount of cash to the EU every year but without the perks of being a member (not that we had many perks).
He's only interested in their interests, he can tie us back up with them which will be rejoining in all but name, Lammy can't wait to kiss ass, I can guarantee you what ever deal these two clowns sign us up to it will be more beneficial to the EU ... 100%
So, not much different to Boris's oven ready deal? I mean he gave away Northern Ireland and lied about it, but I guess you didn't have a problem with that? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 18, 2024 8:31:58 GMT
Starmer can't be trusted he's a fully fledged Europhile, what we don't want is handing over the same amount of cash to the EU every year but without the perks of being a member (not that we had many perks).
He's only interested in their interests, he can tie us back up with them which will be rejoining in all but name, Lammy can't wait to kiss ass, I can guarantee you what ever deal these two clowns sign us up to it will be more beneficial to the EU ... 100%
So, not much different to Boris's oven ready deal? I mean he gave away Northern Ireland and lied about it, but I guess you didn't have a problem with that? The only reason Johnson couldn't make deals was because the EU as they thought had the Ace card up their sleeve, they GFA which was a reckless dangerous game to play considering how important a issue it was, the only ball game the EU want to play is when everything is stacked in their favour, which is exactly what Europhiles Lammy/Starmer will hand to them on a plate. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 18, 2024 10:48:45 GMT
We don't know. But you're saying Starmer is taking the UK back into the EU! Unless he's going to halt all those new trade deals (CPTTP), give up the pound and everything else that would entail joining the low growth of the EU, I'd say there is more chance in hell freezing over before making that kind of upheaval. He'll lick some bottoms, sell out our our armed forces to French/German generals, but that's really the extent of the damage he can do. Which is damaging enough, but we won't be rejoining the EU. It's not worth it, even for him. Starmer can't be trusted he's a fully fledged Europhile, what we don't want is handing over the same amount of cash to the EU every year but without the perks of being a member (not that we had many perks).
He's only interested in their interests, he can tie us back up with them which will be rejoining in all but name, Lammy can't wait to kiss ass, I can guarantee you what ever deal these two clowns sign us up to it will be more beneficial to the EU ... 100%
Yeah, I get that. Starmer can't be trusted, and I agree he will try and align the UK closer and appease their demands. There was one reason why Boris didn't want to offer defense and security into trade negotiations with the EU, because he knew they were desperate for it and this was sacrosanct to him like the Single Market is to the EU. Look at them now rubbing their hands at the prospect of subordinating a second nuclear power, with sophisticated intelligence, defense industry and personnel along with the soft power that Britain brings with it. This is why Macron invented the EPC to get Britain in and around the backdoor of the EU, as his country alone doesn't have the means to help secure Europe. Starmer will no doubt hand this all over on a plate whereas Boris wouldn't. The EU will get the cherry on the cake with their Brexit deal now with Starmer basically offering up all our expertise, The bonus for them will be that they'll probably tie Britain into it with all sorts of legal obligations and payments (as they usually do with their notorious "frameworks"), and will look at the UK as best to see what they can rinse from it, giving little in return. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 18, 2024 11:07:24 GMT
Starmer can't be trusted he's a fully fledged Europhile, what we don't want is handing over the same amount of cash to the EU every year but without the perks of being a member (not that we had many perks).
He's only interested in their interests, he can tie us back up with them which will be rejoining in all but name, Lammy can't wait to kiss ass, I can guarantee you what ever deal these two clowns sign us up to it will be more beneficial to the EU ... 100%
Yeah, I get that. Starmer can't be trusted, and I agree he will try and align the UK closer and appease their demands. There was one reason why Boris didn't want to offer defense and security into trade negotiations with the EU, because he knew they were desperate for it and this was sacrosanct to him like the Single Market is to the EU. Look at them now rubbing their hands at the prospect of subordinating a second nuclear power, with sophisticated intelligence, defense industry and personnel along with the soft power that Britain brings with it. This is why Macron invented the EPC to get Britain in and around the backdoor of the EU, as his country alone doesn't have the means to help secure Europe. Starmer will no doubt hand this all over on a plate whereas Boris wouldn't. The EU will get the cherry on the cake with their Brexit deal now with Starmer basically offering up all our expertise, The bonus for them will be that they'll probably tie Britain into it with all sorts of legal obligations and payments (as they usually do with their notorious "frameworks"), and will look at the UK as best to see what they can rinse from it, giving little in return. We will not go back in the EU. That has now been finalised. A ton of business investment was stalled due to other nations not understanding what the hell we were going to do. Starmer has finally understood we will not be let back in anyway. The thing is perhaps he will make some agreements. Who cares. What we got to know is the performance. We can measure that quite easily, e.g. number of immigrants here illegally who get sent back, the average earnings, tax rate, import/export figures etc. Any agreement can be reversed by the next government. Starmer is not as free to move as people think. Only 1/3 of the country voted for his party, so it could all fall apart if his term does not show some improvement over the Tories. Out of that 1/3 only 5% voted for his policies, so that is 1.66% of the electorate. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 18, 2024 11:13:04 GMT
Starmer can't be trusted he's a fully fledged Europhile, what we don't want is handing over the same amount of cash to the EU every year but without the perks of being a member (not that we had many perks).
He's only interested in their interests, he can tie us back up with them which will be rejoining in all but name, Lammy can't wait to kiss ass, I can guarantee you what ever deal these two clowns sign us up to it will be more beneficial to the EU ... 100%
Yeah, I get that. Starmer can't be trusted, and I agree he will try and align the UK closer and appease their demands. There was one reason why Boris didn't want to offer defense and security into trade negotiations with the EU, because he knew they were desperate for it and this was sacrosanct to him like the Single Market is to the EU. Look at them now rubbing their hands at the prospect of subordinating a second nuclear power, with sophisticated intelligence, defense industry and personnel along with the soft power that Britain brings with it. This is why Macron invented the EPC to get Britain in and around the backdoor of the EU, as his country alone doesn't have the means to help secure Europe. Starmer will no doubt hand this all over on a plate whereas Boris wouldn't. The EU will get the cherry on the cake with their Brexit deal now with Starmer basically offering up all our expertise, The bonus for them will be that they'll probably tie Britain into it with all sorts of legal obligations and payments (as they usually do with their notorious "frameworks"), and will look at the UK as best to see what they can rinse from it, giving little in return. Brexit was a vote for the people, and Starmer, and for that matter any successive governments should not be allowed to make decisions that could legally tie our hands indefinitely , it should be a cross party vote, and for that matter if it's going to be a massive change it should be put back to the people to decide, leaving the fate of Brexit with these two utter clowns Lammy and Starmer will absolutely without doubt be a bad deal for the UK. The EU made a mistake the last time round allowing loopholes for the UK to cut ties with them, take it from me they wont make that mistake again. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 18, 2024 11:36:42 GMT
Fear not Brexit is safe. Starmer will try and tinker around the edges, maybe even sell out our national defence policy to Macron & co if we're really unlucky. Read why Brexit is safe under this Labour government: www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/is-brexit-safe-under-labour/Rather than being a threat to Brexit, the change of government in the UK is more likely to demonstrate its permanence. The mood music will improve, but changes to the EU/UK relationship may be largely cosmetic. The EU faces continued
stagnation at best, and collapse at worst, so the Labour government’s desperate search for sources of economic growth should compel them to utilise Brexit freedoms.
The biggest test for Brexit was always going to be the election of a government dominated by Remainers. It is understandable that some Brexiteers fear that the long-desired restoration of national independence may now be reversed. This article
argues that these fears are misplaced. Compelling and intertwined political and economic forces suggest that instead Brexit will prove to have been permanently cemented. What are these forces?
On its own analysis the incoming government faces enormous challenges – including a “broken” NHS, declining public sector productivity, an ageing population, growing numbers on long term sick leave, a rising backlash against high immigration,
excessive government debt and a record tax burden – which cannot realistically be overcome without sustained higher economic growth. Ironically, this was the argument that won Liz Truss the Prime Ministership, and although she disastrously
failed on implementation this thesis is now central to the Starmer/Reeves strategy. The new government has a freakishly large parliamentary majority but was elected with only 33.7% of the votes cast in a low turnover election. Will it waste what
political capital it has on a highly divisive and hopeless quest to rejoin the EU, which would do little or nothing to boost economic growth? It is no accident that the Labour manifesto explicitly rules out any attempt to join the single market or customs union.Read on: www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/is-brexit-safe-under-labour/I'll take that with a large pinch of salt Buccaneer. It's Robert Lee's opinion nothing more. The fact is we don't know what Starmer will do, yet. But we do know the EU are very keen to have their own armed forces and a UK-EU defence and security pact would not only place UK armed forces under the command of Brussels but would also be a threat to NATO. Starmer is very pro EU, within minutes of entering number 10 he appointed an EU minister and sent him to Brussels. I would suggest, as far as Brexit is concerned, the future is at best, uncertain. Perhaps Robert Lee should write a supporting article in three or four years time when he can refer to facts rather than his opinion. Brexit is safe, the EU says so. As far as I'm aware, even if the UK decided it was a necessity to rejoin the EU, it would take ages of renegotiations to make it happen, even then if it happen it is doubtful that the UK could negotiate as good a deal as they had before leaving. The likelihood of it ever happening is as close to zero as it is possible to get. |
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