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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 15, 2024 17:09:54 GMT
Two issues will ensure this government become increasingly unpopular - Immigration and net zero. I'm surprised Starmer cant see the writing on the wall. He doesn't give a fuck: He's got 5 years to do what he likes (although I suspect he'll get ousted long before then).
His biggest issue however is whether the EU itself will still be what he wants to join, and I suspect it won't.
Not that I care, I intend to ignore any law that Starmer brings in. That's the problem isn't it, typical politics I suppose. A new government will ignore the electorate for the first three years, then in year four/five they start listening. However, as you say and I agree, Starmer wont be around that long. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 15, 2024 17:20:23 GMT
He doesn't give a fuck: He's got 5 years to do what he likes (although I suspect he'll get ousted long before then).
His biggest issue however is whether the EU itself will still be what he wants to join, and I suspect it won't.
Not that I care, I intend to ignore any law that Starmer brings in. That's the problem isn't it, typical politics I suppose. A new government will ignore the electorate for the first three years, then in year four/five they start listening. However, as you say and I agree, Starmer wont be around that long. Yeah, meet the new boss: Same as the old boss. |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 15, 2024 17:27:00 GMT
Whose name is that in then Rackham because for sure not in the name of the electorate.
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Post by LL on Jul 15, 2024 17:48:52 GMT
There’s a sweet irony about all this. If so many hadn’t gone and voted for nige and his band of AI generated candidates Starmer wouldn’t have such a massive majority. As it stands there will be a slow move back towards the EU hopefully rejoining at some point in the future 😎 Anyone who didn’t realise this would happen clearly hasn’t been paying attention. Thanks nige I think you missunderstand, intentionally perhaps. The very reason many people voted Reform is because they are sick of immigration which thanks to Sunak is at record levels and Starmer is obviously hell bent on continuing with mass immigration to please the EU. And I have to say, Farage will be less than disappointed because as immigration goes up, so will support for Reform. Sooner or later the Tories and Labour will get the message, people have had enough of mass immigration. Reform aren’t going to get enough votes to form a government. They are far too devise. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 15, 2024 17:53:03 GMT
Whose name is that in then Rackham because for sure not in the name of the electorate. Oh ffs there goes the neighbourhood. What are you banging on about... |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 15, 2024 17:55:01 GMT
Whose name is that in then Rackham because for sure not in the name of the electorate. Oh ffs there goes the neighbourhood. What are you banging on about... How can it be in the name of the electorate Rackham when they mostly ignored him or voted for someone else. He has no mandate. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 15, 2024 17:57:32 GMT
I think you missunderstand, intentionally perhaps. The very reason many people voted Reform is because they are sick of immigration which thanks to Sunak is at record levels and Starmer is obviously hell bent on continuing with mass immigration to please the EU. And I have to say, Farage will be less than disappointed because as immigration goes up, so will support for Reform. Sooner or later the Tories and Labour will get the message, people have had enough of mass immigration. Reform aren’t going to get enough votes to form a government. They are far too devise. I seem to remember prime minister Cameron laughing at UKIP calling them 'fruitcakes, loonies and racists'. A few short years later he ate those words as UKIP and Farage forced him to give in and allow that long overdue referendum, which cost him his job. So please, laugh away. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 15, 2024 17:59:31 GMT
Oh ffs there goes the neighbourhood. What are you banging on about... How can it be in the name of the electorate Rackham when they mostly ignored him or voted for someone else. He has no mandate. Has anyone got a clue what he's on about?.. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 15, 2024 18:13:42 GMT
It’s the anti immigration vote that gave Brexit its slender 52/48 majority in a Yes or No vote.
In the election loads of the electorate stayed home — either not bothered, or believing the opinion polls.
Those who voted mainly showed they were fed up with the Tories, but some also wanted some other views to be recognised. Immigration came way below cost of living, failing NHS, and the economy in general when those polled were asked what issues concerned that most…
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 15, 2024 21:08:30 GMT
It’s the anti immigration vote that gave Brexit its slender 52/48 majority in a Yes or No vote. In the election loads of the electorate stayed home — either not bothered, or believing the opinion polls. Those who voted mainly showed they were fed up with the Tories, but some also wanted some other views to be recognised. Immigration came way below cost of living, failing NHS, and the economy in general when those polled were asked what issues concerned that most… Well that depends on who you asked. If you ask Labour supporter sthen obviously they are not concerned with immigration - ask Conservative voters and you get a different answer. The fcat is that the Conservative core vote failed to support the Tory Party - they either voted Reform (who are rather more keen on immigration control) or stayed at home. They certainly didnt vote for Labour - in fact more of the 2019 Tory voters died than voted Labour in the recent election.  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 16, 2024 0:37:40 GMT
Starmer will collude with the EU to allow as many migrants into the UK as there were on the dinghies. They will just come in by another method . This is just the beginning. Two issues will ensure this government become increasingly unpopular - Immigration and net zero. I'm surprised Starmer cant see the writing on the wall. Actually, he probably can see the writing on the wall. But what's more important for him is the adoration, the applause he will get when he addresses COP or the WEF and announces that yes, he has forced the UK into fuel poverty, oh joy. I can almost see the tears of happiness running down the faces of those authoritarian left wing unelected bureaucrats. Yes indeed there is absolutely no irony in thousands of them jetting into Geneva from all over the world, to discuss banning people from using fossil fuels... apart from the Chinese, obviously. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 16, 2024 0:42:17 GMT
It’s the anti immigration vote that gave Brexit its slender 52/48 majority in a Yes or No vote. In the election loads of the electorate stayed home — either not bothered, or believing the opinion polls. Those who voted mainly showed they were fed up with the Tories, but some also wanted some other views to be recognised. Immigration came way below cost of living, failing NHS, and the economy in general when those polled were asked what issues concerned that most… Actually, in England where 90% of the 'British' electorate live, the Brexit vote was 53.4% leave - 46.6% remain. Fortunately for minorities in the UK, devolution does not extend to the vast majority. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 16, 2024 3:36:29 GMT
New European relations minister in Brussels to push for reset in UK-EU ties
The new European Union relations minister is heading to Brussels to stress the Labour Government’s commitment to “resetting the relationship” with the bloc. Nick Thomas-Symonds is meeting European Commission vice-president Maros Sefcovic for their first face-to-face talks on Monday to “set the ground for further discussions” on deepening ties, according to the Cabinet Office. It comes ahead of the European Political Community summit Sir Keir Starmer is hosting at Blenheim Palace later this week. www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nick-thomassymonds-keir-starmer-brussels-maros-sefcovic-european-b1170730.htmlAnyone surprised that Starmer is a liar? He spent weeks prior to the election reassuring voters that Brexit is a done deal and the UK will not be rejoining the EU. As soon as he's got his feet under the desk in number 10, he appoints an EU minister and sends him to Brussels with instructions to 'deepen ties' and 'reset the EU UK relationship'. That means the UK will in all but name become the 28th state, and you can bet Starmer will accept all EU diktats and laws including accepting 100,000 illegals from the EU every year. You can bet the list of EU demands will be endless, Brussels will be keen to show other member states that the UK has come crawling back. Also - since Starmer scrapped Rwanda without consulting with or talking to any of the experts who have been working on it for the past two years, and in doing so throwing away £280 million - 1,128 illegals have crossed the channel. That was up until 1pm today. What's Starmers plan? I'll tell you what Starmers plan is; to appease the EU. Starmer is a liar, a charlatan. Fear not Brexit is safe. Starmer will try and tinker around the edges, maybe even sell out our national defence policy to Macron & co if we're really unlucky. Read why Brexit is safe under this Labour government: www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/is-brexit-safe-under-labour/Rather than being a threat to Brexit, the change of government in the UK is more likely to demonstrate its permanence. The mood music will improve, but changes to the EU/UK relationship may be largely cosmetic. The EU faces continued
stagnation at best, and collapse at worst, so the Labour government’s desperate search for sources of economic growth should compel them to utilise Brexit freedoms.
The biggest test for Brexit was always going to be the election of a government dominated by Remainers. It is understandable that some Brexiteers fear that the long-desired restoration of national independence may now be reversed. This article
argues that these fears are misplaced. Compelling and intertwined political and economic forces suggest that instead Brexit will prove to have been permanently cemented. What are these forces?
On its own analysis the incoming government faces enormous challenges – including a “broken” NHS, declining public sector productivity, an ageing population, growing numbers on long term sick leave, a rising backlash against high immigration,
excessive government debt and a record tax burden – which cannot realistically be overcome without sustained higher economic growth. Ironically, this was the argument that won Liz Truss the Prime Ministership, and although she disastrously
failed on implementation this thesis is now central to the Starmer/Reeves strategy. The new government has a freakishly large parliamentary majority but was elected with only 33.7% of the votes cast in a low turnover election. Will it waste what
political capital it has on a highly divisive and hopeless quest to rejoin the EU, which would do little or nothing to boost economic growth? It is no accident that the Labour manifesto explicitly rules out any attempt to join the single market or customs union.Read on: www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/is-brexit-safe-under-labour/ |
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Post by see2 on Jul 16, 2024 8:04:58 GMT
New European relations minister in Brussels to push for reset in UK-EU ties
The new European Union relations minister is heading to Brussels to stress the Labour Government’s commitment to “resetting the relationship” with the bloc. Nick Thomas-Symonds is meeting European Commission vice-president Maros Sefcovic for their first face-to-face talks on Monday to “set the ground for further discussions” on deepening ties, according to the Cabinet Office. It comes ahead of the European Political Community summit Sir Keir Starmer is hosting at Blenheim Palace later this week. www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nick-thomassymonds-keir-starmer-brussels-maros-sefcovic-european-b1170730.htmlAnyone surprised that Starmer is a liar? He spent weeks prior to the election reassuring voters that Brexit is a done deal and the UK will not be rejoining the EU. As soon as he's got his feet under the desk in number 10, he appoints an EU minister and sends him to Brussels with instructions to 'deepen ties' and 'reset the EU UK relationship'. That means the UK will in all but name become the 28th state, and you can bet Starmer will accept all EU diktats and laws including accepting 100,000 illegals from the EU every year. You can bet the list of EU demands will be endless, Brussels will be keen to show other member states that the UK has come crawling back. Also - since Starmer scrapped Rwanda without consulting with or talking to any of the experts who have been working on it for the past two years, and in doing so throwing away £280 million - 1,128 illegals have crossed the channel. That was up until 1pm today. What's Starmers plan? I'll tell you what Starmers plan is; to appease the EU. Starmer is a liar, a charlatan. You are the "liar, a charlatan". IIRC Earlier this year when this point came up it came from speculation about a previously agreed review of the Brexit agreement, and Starmer was told at that time (Sept 2023?) in no uncertain manner by the EU that there would be no renegotiation of the Brexit deal. Any further negotiations would be outside of Brexit deal and would of necessity be something that was entirely beneficial to both the UK and the EU. No quarter either given or expected. So your Tory faced 'Project Fear' is a waste of space. The Rwanda plan was ridiculous, send a minute percentage of asylum seekers to Rwanda for assessment LOL. The product of a desperate and now failed PM. IF Starmer can make reciprocal beneficial agreements with the EU, as I'm sure other non-EU countries do, then why not? |
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Post by see2 on Jul 16, 2024 8:10:46 GMT
Except isn't that exactly what he said he would do during the campaign? It may come as a shock to see a politician going to do what they said they would do, a rarity these days. What's becoming defining is not what Starmer said during the election campaign, it's what he didn't say. That is 'insinuation' a dishonest Tory ploy, so typical of the 'lesser minded' Rightist. It says more about yourself than it says about Starmer. |
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