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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 13, 2024 18:39:03 GMT
Horror moment police officer is stabbed in neck by passer-by in random attackVideo footage of the terrifying incident shows Jacob Brown walking along the pavement before randomly lunging a knife at three officers at the scene of the crash. One of the officers, Sergeant Tim Ansell, is struck in the neck and was rushed to hospital. Thankfully the knife missed any major arteries and PS Ansell made a full recovery. In the footage, which is filmed on the officers’ bodycams, Brown can be seen approaching the officers despite having nothing to do with the accident. Dressed all in black with a hood tightly fastened, he jumps into the road to attack one of PS Ansell’s colleagues, Sergeant Marc Foster, who gets struck in the head. PS Ansell jumped to the defence of his fellow sergeant before being stabbed in the neck by Brown. metro.co.uk/2024/07/13/horror-moment-police-officer-stabbed-neck-passer-by-21220197/?ico=mosaic_homeFront line police officers should not have to rely on tasers, they should routinely carry sidearms. This idiot who randomly stabbed police officers should have been shot and I mean that sincerely, I'm not being cavalier or gung ho, I'm being realistic. The police should have the right to defend themselves with lethal force and perhaps more to the point, assailants like this idiot should know that if they choose to attack a police officer with a knife or any weapon, they will be shot.
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 13, 2024 20:00:39 GMT
Horror moment police officer is stabbed in neck by passer-by in random attackVideo footage of the terrifying incident shows Jacob Brown walking along the pavement before randomly lunging a knife at three officers at the scene of the crash. One of the officers, Sergeant Tim Ansell, is struck in the neck and was rushed to hospital. Thankfully the knife missed any major arteries and PS Ansell made a full recovery. In the footage, which is filmed on the officers’ bodycams, Brown can be seen approaching the officers despite having nothing to do with the accident. Dressed all in black with a hood tightly fastened, he jumps into the road to attack one of PS Ansell’s colleagues, Sergeant Marc Foster, who gets struck in the head. PS Ansell jumped to the defence of his fellow sergeant before being stabbed in the neck by Brown. metro.co.uk/2024/07/13/horror-moment-police-officer-stabbed-neck-passer-by-21220197/?ico=mosaic_homeFront line police officers should not have to rely on tasers, they should routinely carry sidearms. This idiot who randomly stabbed police officers should have been shot and I mean that sincerely, I'm not being cavalier or gung ho, I'm being realistic. The police should have the right to defend themselves with lethal force and perhaps more to the point, assailants like this idiot should know that if they choose to attack a police officer with a knife or any weapon, they will be shot. Horrific incident and luckly not a regular occurrence. Thats one of the reasons i dont think police should be Armed. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 13, 2024 20:24:27 GMT
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 13, 2024 20:30:35 GMT
What, you mean just like they do in pretty much every other country in the world?
But of course, they're all wrong.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 13, 2024 20:33:01 GMT
What, you mean just like they do in pretty much every other country in the world? But of course, they're all wrong. Precisely. All police in EU states carry sidearms but you don't notice it, unless you attempt to stab someone. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 13, 2024 20:41:14 GMT
Historically the UK police weren't armed because it wasn't necessary.
Now it is.
However, UK officers will remain unarmed because:
1) The establishment don't like plebs with guns, unless it's their own private body guard.
2) Arming the police would now cost a fortune.
3) They would have to recruit police officers that are actually suitable for the job rather than idiots who simply fulfill a demographic quota.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 13, 2024 20:44:55 GMT
That was Whalley Range. It is sandwiched between Chorlton, where I used to live, and Moss Side. Moss side was almost completely African when I knew it, and any white pedestrian could get mugged just walking by themselves. It was a regular occurrence and some of those shits robbed me once and I ended up in hospital. There were about ten of the bastards. The police were too scared to investigate though. I moved out of Manchester after that happened. You want to know why so many people are racists. Well you just have to live next door to the scumbags to be racist. It's what you see on a regular basis that makes you put two and two together and get four. The thing is, if the police had actually investigated my robbery and banged the lot of them up for several years and had they done that with other crimes then these people would not get the impression that it was a free for all. One day it will be the MPs. London is getting very black now. MPs have to work in London. You reap what you sow I guess. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 13, 2024 21:40:53 GMT
That was Whalley Range. It is sandwiched between Chorlton, where I used to live, and Moss Side. Moss side was almost completely African when I knew it, and any white pedestrian could get mugged just walking by themselves. It was a regular occurrence and some of those shits robbed me once and I ended up in hospital. There were about ten of the bastards. The police were too scared to investigate though. I moved out of Manchester after that happened. You want to know why so many people are racists. Well you just have to live next door to the scumbags to be racist. It's what you see on a regular basis that makes you put two and two together and get four. The thing is, if the police had actually investigated my robbery and banged the lot of them up for several years and had they done that with other crimes then these people would not get the impression that it was a free for all. One day it will be the MPs. London is getting very black now. MPs have to work in London. You reap what you sow I guess. Years ago, too many years ago to mention, I went home for the weekend with a mate who lived in Manchester, Salford actually. He was a good lad but tbh, it's a place I have never wished to visit twice. I grew up in a rural area, I didn't realise how naive I was until I joined the army, I went home on leave with mates to London a few times, Manchester, Lancaster, Newcastle and Glasgow. These places were a real eye opener for a kid who grew up playing in woods and building dens with hay bales, talk about wide eyed and clueless. My late teens was a steep learning curve lol. When I think back, even though for whatever reason money was scarce, I'm grateful we grew up in that boring quiet village. Enough of my reminiscing. I don't think I've ever seen racism, there were a couple of incidents with black lads in the army who refused to mix, to 'integrate'. They had massive chips on their shoulders and in that environment if you're not a team player you don't last. I often wondered why they joined tbh. Fortunately I've never been the victim of crime and in this neighborhood I think we're safe, but I'm not complacent, I'm never complacent. I'm very aware that some criminals seek out low crime areas because people in quiet areas let their guard down. Mrs R isn't happy with some of the measures I have in place and I accept they are probably unnecessary, but I insist on keeping them in place and if someone gets into our garden, and they could it backs onto open countryside, they're in for a shock. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 13, 2024 22:03:26 GMT
That was Whalley Range. It is sandwiched between Chorlton, where I used to live, and Moss Side. Moss side was almost completely African when I knew it, and any white pedestrian could get mugged just walking by themselves. It was a regular occurrence and some of those shits robbed me once and I ended up in hospital. There were about ten of the bastards. The police were too scared to investigate though. I moved out of Manchester after that happened. You want to know why so many people are racists. Well you just have to live next door to the scumbags to be racist. It's what you see on a regular basis that makes you put two and two together and get four. The thing is, if the police had actually investigated my robbery and banged the lot of them up for several years and had they done that with other crimes then these people would not get the impression that it was a free for all. One day it will be the MPs. London is getting very black now. MPs have to work in London. You reap what you sow I guess. Years ago, too many years ago to mention, I went home for the weekend with a mate who lived in Manchester, Salford actually. He was a good lad but tbh, it's a place I have never wished to visit twice. I grew up in a rural area, I didn't realise how naive I was until I joined the army, I went home on leave with mates to London a few times, Manchester, Lancaster, Newcastle and Glasgow. These places were a real eye opener for a kid who grew up playing in woods and building dens with hay bales, talk about wide eyed and clueless. My late teens was a steep learning curve lol. When I think back, even though for whatever reason money was scarce, I'm grateful we grew up in that boring quiet village. Enough of my reminiscing. I don't think I've ever seen racism, there were a couple of incidents with black lads in the army who refused to mix, to 'integrate'. They had massive chips on their shoulders and in that environment if you're not a team player you don't last. I often wondered why they joined tbh. Fortunately I've never been the victim of crime and in this neighborhood I think we're safe, but I'm not complacent, I'm never complacent. I'm very aware that some criminals seek out low crime areas because people in quiet areas let their guard down. Mrs R isn't happy with some of the measures I have in place and I accept they are probably unnecessary, but I insist on keeping them in place and if someone gets into our garden, and they could it backs onto open countryside, they're in for a shock. You know what though. Salford was mainly a white area. Each area is a particular nationality in Manchester. Like Chorlton and Didsbury were what they call "middle class" but Salford was white scally smakheads mainly. I knew two people who lived in one of those tower blocks. I knew a girl who was a musician, like she played the violin and was in a quite well known band and was like very middle class but more of your champagne socialist who knew all the bigwigs on the council. I think she lived there to prove her understanding and identity with the plebs, like a reverse snobbery. The other person was this biker guy who I used to go to the night clubs with. He was a good laugh and like tot get pissed and have some fun. Actually the flats themselves were pretty large and were owned by the council. The security was tight with 10ft steel fences and 24 hour guard at the door with electronic gates. It felt more like entering an American airforce base! |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 13, 2024 22:27:08 GMT
Historically the UK police weren't armed because it wasn't necessary. Now it is. The way i was told The Peeler’s weren’t armed According to the black museum records, and i don’t remember dates precisely, but i think from the late 1880’s up to before the 1st World War SOME London, police WERE routinely, armed for their protection. That ended after WW1 and returned for some policemen in WW2. So there was actually a time in the past when some policemen were routinely armed and not in the sense firearms officers are now. But i think you are describing the wider position and i agree. And in 1964 if the copper standing outside number ten had one he kept it well hidden from the seven year old me that crossed the road to say hello. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 13, 2024 23:43:48 GMT
Historically the UK police weren't armed because it wasn't necessary. Now it is. However, UK officers will remain unarmed because: 1) The establishment don't like plebs with guns, unless it's their own private body guard. 2) Arming the police would now cost a fortune. 3) They would have to recruit police officers that are actually suitable for the job rather than idiots who simply fulfill a demographic quota. I tend to disagree. We're all aware that some people think arming the police would somehow be seen as a failure of government, and in many respects that's true. But regardless of history or tradition, or indeed politics, it's inevitable it's going to happen. Yes people will give interviews and proclaim the good old British bobby doesn't need a sidearm. Typically these will be people who sit behind a desk and fill out a risk assessment before using a pencil sharpener. TSM, we agree the police should routinely carry sidearms, and it would of course be an added expense but your claim that recruiting suitable people would be difficult, is in my opinion a false argument. In my experience I never saw anyone who could not be trained to use a firearm, OK there may have been one or two who you wouldn't want behind you lol, but seriously yes I understand what you say in point 3 diversity is definately a problem no doubt about it. But I don't believe you seriously think the UK is the only country in Europe possibly the world, in which police recruits are untrainable or too thick to carry a sidearm. Thanks to diversity only 10% of the Met are 'functionally illiterate', great news, that means 90% are trainable, assuming they speak English, lol. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 14, 2024 1:17:52 GMT
I don't think we're that far apart: Firearms are not that difficult to train.
The difference elsewhere is that officers are recruited with firearms suitability in mind, whereas in the UK they currently are not.
It's not insurmountable but it would require a change of mindset by those that currently sit behind desks conducting risk assessments.
So don't hold your breath.
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Post by wapentake on Jul 14, 2024 5:02:24 GMT
The police should have the means to defend themselves and never be single crewed,they also need if they are attacked the knowledge that the courts will hand down deterrents,many people are just bad this bloke who did this is a paranoid schizophrenic and that’s another issue the lack of mental health care.
The police and general public need protecting and people with mental health issues too because often because they have such issues they too need protection from a small minority of the bad in the outside world,not everybody with such issues are a danger to anyo other than themselves.
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Post by Handyman on Jul 14, 2024 9:28:16 GMT
Horror moment police officer is stabbed in neck by passer-by in random attackVideo footage of the terrifying incident shows Jacob Brown walking along the pavement before randomly lunging a knife at three officers at the scene of the crash. One of the officers, Sergeant Tim Ansell, is struck in the neck and was rushed to hospital. Thankfully the knife missed any major arteries and PS Ansell made a full recovery. In the footage, which is filmed on the officers’ bodycams, Brown can be seen approaching the officers despite having nothing to do with the accident. Dressed all in black with a hood tightly fastened, he jumps into the road to attack one of PS Ansell’s colleagues, Sergeant Marc Foster, who gets struck in the head. PS Ansell jumped to the defence of his fellow sergeant before being stabbed in the neck by Brown. metro.co.uk/2024/07/13/horror-moment-police-officer-stabbed-neck-passer-by-21220197/?ico=mosaic_homeFront line police officers should not have to rely on tasers, they should routinely carry sidearms. This idiot who randomly stabbed police officers should have been shot and I mean that sincerely, I'm not being cavalier or gung ho, I'm being realistic. The police should have the right to defend themselves with lethal force and perhaps more to the point, assailants like this idiot should know that if they choose to attack a police officer with a knife or any weapon, they will be shot. Horrific incident and luckly not a regular occurrence. Thats one of the reasons i dont think police should be Armed. The Police Federation keep very accurate records of Officers being threatened and assaulted, they state that across England and Wales an officer is threatened or assaulted every half hour, some very badly which means they off work for weeks or months and some are so badly injured they are pensioned off. |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 14, 2024 9:50:42 GMT
Historically the UK police weren't armed because it wasn't necessary. Now it is. The way i was told The Peeler’s weren’t armed According to the black museum records, and i don’t remember dates precisely, but i think from the late 1880’s up to before the 1st World War SOME London, police WERE routinely, armed for their protection. That ended after WW1 and returned for some policemen in WW2. So there was actually a time in the past when some policemen were routinely armed and not in the sense firearms officers are now. But i think you are describing the wider position and i agree. And in 1964 if the copper standing outside number ten had one he kept it well hidden from the seven year old me that crossed the road to say hello. In those days the few Police Officers that were armed such as outside No 10 were issued with Smith Wesson 38 revolvers , which were hidden in a special pocket of their uniformed trousers, not in a holster hence you could not see they were armed. If you recall the Iranian Embassy Siege PC Trevor Lock who was a member of the DPG Diplomatic Protection Group was armed even when searched by the Terrorists they did not find it, he kept his overcoat on all through the siege to keep it hidden, wise move IMHO he was outgunned a .38 Revolver is not much use against an AK47 |
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