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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 11, 2024 0:11:36 GMT
I say yes with a landslide Majority taking 414 constituencies. If a government or other elected body has a mandate to carry out a particular policy or task, they have the authority to carry it out as a result of winning an election or vote Why is this in Mind Zone?..
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 11, 2024 0:30:55 GMT
I say yes with a landslide Majority taking 414 constituencies. If a government or other elected body has a mandate to carry out a particular policy or task, they have the authority to carry it out as a result of winning an election or vote Why is this in Mind Zone?.. Where should it be ?
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 11, 2024 0:35:19 GMT
Only because the system is rigged Its not rigged at all everybody has the chance to vote for one person in there Consitancy.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 11, 2024 0:43:53 GMT
Why is this in Mind Zone?.. Where should it be ? Labour board or Political Tearoom board probably.
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 11, 2024 0:51:09 GMT
Labour board or Political Tearoom board probably. I leave the labour board to you lol . Political tearoom forgot that excised Dont think I ever posted there lol
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 11, 2024 6:18:01 GMT
Keir Starmer himself said that the Brexit referendum should not be regarded as a mandate to leave the EU because it was only a 52/48% margin. That's why campaigned for a second referendum with a larger majority required for leave. But he got 34% of the vote in the election. But. of course, we know that the Left applies different rules to itself than to others. Therein lies the problem, the left see themselves as the arbiters of what is right and wrong. In their eyes a RW MP is duty bound not just to consider all his constituents but also to consider all their views. A LW constituent has a mandate to act as he sees fit and ignore or even expel other viewpoints from his ken. This was clearly exampled by Margaret Hodge on her speech on winning Barking and Dagenham where the BNP received 16% of the vote. There was no agreement to consider the views expressed by that 16% of her constituents instead Hodge demanded that the BNP get out of Barking and Dagenham and never return. That's the basic difference between the Right and the Left. The Right tend to be pragmatic about the solution to a problem - there's usually no morality involved. Whereas the Left seem to think that it's a matter of "right" and "wrong" and they're the only arbiters of moral rectitude. It's crazy.
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Post by Orac on Jul 11, 2024 6:26:19 GMT
Labour is likely to use its powers in very inappropriate ways - it is stuffed people with personality disorders and control issues.
They will move to abolish the last parts of our constitution and replace with their 'year zero' solution that can't be repealed. With luck this will corner the British population to take the kind of dramatic action that has been needed for a decade - with a lot of luck though
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 11, 2024 6:27:33 GMT
One of the consequences of the BNP being evicted from Barking by a Labour full-court press has been the fall in the white British population from 50% in 2011 to 31% in 2021.
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 11, 2024 6:35:14 GMT
Keir Starmer himself said that the Brexit referendum should not be regarded as a mandate to leave the EU because it was only a 52/48% margin. That's why campaigned for a second referendum with a larger majority required for leave. But he got 34% of the vote in the election. But. of course, we know that the Left applies different rules to itself than to others. Margin of 4% ? That's the way elections - and usually referendums too - work. In the GE there were many, many cases of the Reform party coming second to Labour by a few hundred votes. But Labour still won those seats. You only need a margin of 1 vote. But there is another factor that should be taken into account with the Brexit referendum. There was a built in tendency for people to vote for the status quo in the case of EU membership reckoned to be bout 10%. It's a matter of people being naturally risk adverse. So the margin in the Brexit vote was much more than 4%. But even so 4% is enough for a mandate. However, you should remember that the Lefties claimed that the "type" of Brexit chosen should reflect the will of the 48%. WHY? Is Starmer going to take into account the fact that 17.4 million voted for Brexit? Of course not. He's hell-bent on reversing Brexit by any means possible. The Left have never really believed in democracy - except when it suits them.
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 11, 2024 7:10:37 GMT
One of the consequences of the BNP being evicted from Barking by a Labour full-court press has been the fall in the white British population from 50% in 2011 to 31% in 2021. What happened in stoke didn't they have 20 old councillors? Also did the labour party bring in a law saying political parties had to have a ethnic minority element?
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 11, 2024 7:46:31 GMT
One of the consequences of the BNP being evicted from Barking by a Labour full-court press has been the fall in the white British population from 50% in 2011 to 31% in 2021. What happened in stoke didn't they have 20 old councillors? Also did the labour party bring in a law saying political parties had to have a ethnic minority element? I believe they had nine at the peak. As to what did for them, the same as in Barking - the Old Gang ganged up and the legacy media attack dogs attacked.
Yes the Equality Act included provisions specifically designed to nobble the BNP and its mission to represent the white British population. Harriet Harman bragged about it (twice) during the Commons debates on the Bill. Here on 12.06.09:
[/url] What Ms Harman referred to is contained in a single line of the Bill, tucked away in an obscure schedule about 150 pages in. Here is Schedule 16 (1) in its entirety, with the appropriate text highlighted: The BNP’s claim to exemption rested upon s.26 of the RRA76, which would be repealed completely when the Equality Act came into force (under the ConLibs as it happened). [/div]
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 11, 2024 7:51:31 GMT
What happened in stoke didn't they have 20 old councillors? Also did the labour party bring in a law saying political parties had to have a ethnic minority element? I believe they had nine at the peak. As to what did for them, the same as in Barking - the Old Gang ganged up and the legacy media attack dogs attacked.
Yes the Equality Act included provisions specifically designed to nobble the BNP and its mission to represent the white British population. Harriet Harman bragged about it (twice) during the Commons debates on the Bill. Here on 12.06.09:
[/url] What Ms Harman referred to is contained in a single line of the Bill, tucked away in an obscure schedule about 150 pages in. Here is Schedule 16 (1) in its entirety, with the appropriate text highlighted: The BNP’s claim to exemption rested upon s.26 of the RRA76, which would be repealed completely when the Equality Act came into force (under the ConLibs as it happened). [/div]
[/quote] I thought that was the case thank you for the reply
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Post by sandypine on Jul 11, 2024 7:51:32 GMT
One of the consequences of the BNP being evicted from Barking by a Labour full-court press has been the fall in the white British population from 50% in 2011 to 31% in 2021. What happened in stoke didn't they have 20 old councillors? Also did the labour party bring in a law saying political parties had to have a ethnic minority element? I will try and answer what I think you asked. The BNP went into decline because they were easy meat for a concerted attack by, call it what you will, the establishment for want of a better phrase and the MSN. People had turned to the BNP not becaseu they specifically liked the policies or the people but that there was a desperation to find something different from NewLabour which had by this time shown they supported, and enacted, mass migration to the UK. Labour had also deserted their core vote in the British working man who at that time could not consider Tory but sought an alternative. The history of the BNP, their leadership, their internal divisions and some policies meant that the MSN could portray them as unacceptable within a democratic/multicultural society and the reporting balanced on the truth and often turned to outright lies in order to discredit and break the party; and it largely worked because as I said teh BNP were easy meat with too many skeletons. The final nails in the coffin of the party were the court cases and then Equality Act which specifically denied the right of ethnic specific associations to be political parties. The same tactics are now being used against Reform, which has much less baggage and a much more difficult proposition to defeat. As well as Farage and others are well aware of the tactics that are used against them and are often very precise in how they speak. This of course does not stop the lies and the misrepresentation of what they say and stand for by both politicians and the MSN. Does that address your questions? EDIT I see Dan has beaten me to it.
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Post by thomas on Jul 11, 2024 7:52:17 GMT
Labour polled half a million less votes than the last time they were defeated. 80% of the electorate didn't vote for them. They don't have a mandate. Nor even a democratic imperative. exactly. Wasn't starmer , and the blairites within the party calling it a disgraceful result in 2019, and how Corbyn had to stand down as the voters had rejected him in labours worst defeat since 1935? Now starmer has half million votes less than Corbyn got in 2019............silence.......... Its embarrassing. Imagine what the Russian or Chinese press are telling their populace about the tin pot dictator starmer getting two thirds of the seats in the British parliament on a third of the vote , where 80 % of the uk electorate didnt vote for his party? Imagine starmer trying to lecture countries around the world on democracy? The room would collapse as diplomats fell over howling!!!! FPTP elected labour , the uk voters certainly did not , and this result stretches the meaning of the word "mandate" beyond any credible meaning.
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Post by thomas on Jul 11, 2024 7:55:07 GMT
Only because the system is rigged Its not rigged at all everybody has the chance to vote for one person in there Consitancy. it is rigged. A parties vote share should be proportional to the seats it gets. If you can't see the wider damage this is doing to uk democracy long term , then hell mend you when it all finally blows up in the naysayers faces.
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