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Post by Vinny on Jul 10, 2024 8:52:40 GMT
I'd laugh if by the end of Labour's term in office, you end up as a Tory / Reform voter.
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 10, 2024 8:54:29 GMT
No prove at all from the socalist workers party Lol Thomas the far lefty. Lols |
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 10, 2024 8:56:01 GMT
I'd laugh if by the end of Labour's term in office, you end up as a Tory / Reform voter. Is that to me ? |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 10, 2024 9:02:34 GMT
Yeah (teasin).
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 10, 2024 9:04:07 GMT
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Post by jeg er on Jul 10, 2024 18:12:41 GMT
yep. Andy Burnham , of new labour privatised hinchingbrooke hospital in England , and then later tried to pass the buck to the coalition government who like the snp in scotland , had to deal with the mess new labour left behind. Not to mention the toxic PFI projects , £30 billion in scotland , and in England £ 80 billion legacy that costs the nhs millions per month and is a drain on taxpayers money.
Labour Shadow Secretary of State for Health Andy Burnham rushed to blame the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition government for appointing Circle, as if everyone had already forgotten the previous Labour government’s role. Although the coalition government awarded the 10-year Hinchingbrooke contract in November 2011, after it came to power, it was the Labour government and Burnham as health secretary that judged the hospital to be “failing” and who signed off on the decision to appoint a private contractor in 2009.
www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/01/31/hosp-j31.html
Like i said Thomas nope 1983 Margaret Thatcher (Conservative) introduces competitive tendering to outsource ancillary services including porters, kitchens and cleaning to private companies, which eventually leads to increased levels of hospital-acquired infections. Access to NHS optician and dental care is reduced and charges are brought in. 1988 Oliver Letwin, a privatisation expert at NM Rothschild Bank, and MP John Redwood (Conservative) write Britain’s Biggest Enterprise, a manual on how to privatise the NHS through the stealthy and gradual introduction of trusts, private companies, charges, profits and health insurance. The Adam Smith Institute, a neoliberal think tank, flesh out this manual in The Health of Nations by Pirie & Butler. 1991 John Major (Conservative) brings in the NHS and Community Care Act introducing an Internal Market to the NHS with a ‘purchaser-provider’ split, de-centralising the service by forming NHS trusts, adding a corporate management structure and the principle of competition. Analyses of NHS marketisation show costs escalating. By 2005, the cost of NHS bureaucracy is estimated to have increased by 10% (Bloor Report). 1992 The Conservatives introduce Private Finance Initiatives (PFIs), an unnecessary and expensive method of borrowing money for new hospitals designed to deliver attractive, risk-free returns for private investors, drain money out of the NHS, lock the taxpayer into long-term debt and justify hospital closures. you forget to mention that blair increased and expanded PFI's and PPPs loads, especially in the NHS. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 10, 2024 18:36:16 GMT
I was just Showing labour werent first to introduce NHS to privatisation.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 10, 2024 21:17:32 GMT
I do hope that this lot don't know what happened to the last lot of pledges that Starmer gave..
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Post by thomas on Jul 11, 2024 7:20:24 GMT
yep. Andy Burnham , of new labour privatised hinchingbrooke hospital in England , and then later tried to pass the buck to the coalition government who like the snp in scotland , had to deal with the mess new labour left behind. Not to mention the toxic PFI projects , £30 billion in scotland , and in England £ 80 billion legacy that costs the nhs millions per month and is a drain on taxpayers money.
Labour Shadow Secretary of State for Health Andy Burnham rushed to blame the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition government for appointing Circle, as if everyone had already forgotten the previous Labour government’s role. Although the coalition government awarded the 10-year Hinchingbrooke contract in November 2011, after it came to power, it was the Labour government and Burnham as health secretary that judged the hospital to be “failing” and who signed off on the decision to appoint a private contractor in 2009.
www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/01/31/hosp-j31.html
Like i said Thomas nope 1983 Margaret Thatcher (Conservative) introduces competitive tendering to outsource ancillary services including porters, kitchens and cleaning to private companies, which eventually leads to increased levels of hospital-acquired infections. Access to NHS optician and dental care is reduced and charges are brought in. 1988 Oliver Letwin, a privatisation expert at NM Rothschild Bank, and MP John Redwood (Conservative) write Britain’s Biggest Enterprise, a manual on how to privatise the NHS through the stealthy and gradual introduction of trusts, private companies, charges, profits and health insurance. The Adam Smith Institute, a neoliberal think tank, flesh out this manual in The Health of Nations by Pirie & Butler. 1991 John Major (Conservative) brings in the NHS and Community Care Act introducing an Internal Market to the NHS with a ‘purchaser-provider’ split, de-centralising the service by forming NHS trusts, adding a corporate management structure and the principle of competition. Analyses of NHS marketisation show costs escalating. By 2005, the cost of NHS bureaucracy is estimated to have increased by 10% (Bloor Report). 1992 The Conservatives introduce Private Finance Initiatives (PFIs), an unnecessary and expensive method of borrowing money for new hospitals designed to deliver attractive, risk-free returns for private investors, drain money out of the NHS, lock the taxpayer into long-term debt and justify hospital closures. what has any of that got to do with what I said , that labour introduced the first private hospital in the English nhs...............................  |
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Post by thomas on Jul 11, 2024 7:21:21 GMT
I was just Showing labour werent first to introduce NHS to privatisation. that wasn't my point. You need to read what is being posted , not what you think is being posted. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 11, 2024 7:36:19 GMT
I was just Showing labour werent first to introduce NHS to privatisation. that wasn't my point. You need to read what is being posted , not what you think is being posted. I missed read you post sorry apologies |
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Post by thomas on Jul 11, 2024 7:44:43 GMT
that wasn't my point. You need to read what is being posted , not what you think is being posted. I missed read you post sorry apologies no problem. And further , we know the conservatives started private provision into the nhs..........it's the fact new labour not just continued with it , but massively ramped it up that is the disgrace. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 11, 2024 7:48:26 GMT
I missed read you post sorry apologies no problem. And further , we know the conservatives started private provision into the nhs..........it's the fact new labour not just continued with it , but massively ramped it up that is the disgrace. We can always disagree to the reason for it |
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Post by thomas on Jul 11, 2024 7:57:16 GMT
no problem. And further , we know the conservatives started private provision into the nhs..........it's the fact new labour not just continued with it , but massively ramped it up that is the disgrace. We can always disagree to the reason for it we dont need two tory parties. Whatever the reason for it , no one on earth can credibly argue private provision , and private finance initiatives , have worked for the nhs . They have been a disaster of epic proportions. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 11, 2024 8:02:34 GMT
We can always disagree to the reason for it we dont need two tory parties. Whatever the reason for it , no one on earth can credibly argue private provision , and private finance initiatives , have worked for the nhs . They have been a disaster of epic proportions. Yes they i ive said before i dont necessary agree with ut But can in some sence see the Need for it . But the Devil is in the Small print . |
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