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Post by dappy on Jul 6, 2024 13:01:05 GMT
It’s always interesting to see the early direction of travel of any new government of whatever colour. Are they to be mostly interested in tabloid headlines and political games or are they looking to make serious changes to make the country a better place. Cautious optimism here. The appointment of experts like Timson, Vallance and the new AG plus keeping shadow ministers who have learned their subject area suggests that this will be serious government. In respect of prisons, if we are finally to copy the Dutch example - send less minor offenders to prison, save lots of money, spend half of it on early intervention and probation and the rest on other government spending, reduce reoffending, reduce crime- that seems a very good start. Let’s see how things pan out. As I said, five minutes into a Labour government and they have already gone soft on crime and I have to say, few will be surprised. This does not bode well for future crime figs. As you say, lets see how things pan out. You mention the new AG (Attorney General) I wonder why Starmer sacked Thornberry? The experience of the Netherlands was that by sending less people to prison and using some of the money saved on prevention and rehabilitation, reoffending rates dropped and hence the crime rate dropped. Surely that would be a great outcome if repeated here. The AG role was traditionally a relatively apolitical bridge between the political world and the legal world until Braverman sought to politicize it in her quest to climb the greasy pole. If his aim by appointing a lawyer rather than a politician to the role was to return it to its roots, that would be a great service to the country. Early days yet but encouraging start. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 6, 2024 13:16:14 GMT
I'll tell you what's embarrassing about Starmers cabinet; Foreign Secretary David Lammy. I cringe when I think of that man representing the UK on a global stage. If Trump is elected in November, as is expected, how might UK/US relations be affected by a UK foreign secretary who has said among other things...
Trump is a racist KKK Nazi sympathiser.
I will march against Donald Trump. [In London]
Trump is a woman hating, neo-Nazi-sympathising sociopath.
Trump is a profound threat to international order.
Lammy's pitiful anti Trump rhetoric, which he now undoubtedly regrets, matters. Anyone who is unaware that Trump holds a grudge has not been paying attention.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 6, 2024 13:24:34 GMT
The experience of the Netherlands was that by sending less people to prison and using some of the money saved on prevention and rehabilitation, reoffending rates dropped and hence the crime rate dropped. Surely that would be a great outcome if repeated here. The AG role was traditionally a relatively apolitical bridge between the political world and the legal world until Braverman sought to politicize it in her quest to climb the greasy pole. If his aim by appointing a lawyer rather than a politician to the role was to return it to its roots, that would be a great service to the country. Early days yet but encouraging start. Uninterested in the Netherlands, I live in the UK not the EU. Incidentally, as a direct result of EU policy and the pro EU political establishment in this country, in 2007 England overtook the Netherlands as the most densely populated country in Europe, which is why we have c14,000 foreign criminals in UK prisons who thanks to the ECHR will not be deported on completion of their sentences. Early days indeed. Or to put it another way, the calm before the storm. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 6, 2024 13:24:54 GMT
I'll tell you what's embarrassing about Starmers cabinet; Foreign Secretary David Lammy. I cringe when I think of that man representing the UK on a global stage. If Trump is elected in November, as is expected, how might UK/US relations be affected by a UK foreign secretary who has said among other things... Trump is a racist KKK Nazi sympathiser. I will march against Donald Trump. [In London] Trump is a woman hating, neo-Nazi-sympathising sociopath. Trump is a profound threat to international order. Lammy's pitiful anti Trump rhetoric, which he now undoubtedly regrets, matters. Anyone who is unaware that Trump holds a grudge has not been paying attention. The only reason Lammy begged to be Foreign Secretary so he could grovel round Europe arse licking his hero's, he has no interest in trade deals outside of the EU, here's going to sell us out BIg time, he'll get his pat on the head well done, just like Blair did, then when he's outlived his usefulness be kicked to the kerb. |
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Post by dappy on Jul 6, 2024 13:42:02 GMT
The experience of the Netherlands was that by sending less people to prison and using some of the money saved on prevention and rehabilitation, reoffending rates dropped and hence the crime rate dropped. Surely that would be a great outcome if repeated here. The AG role was traditionally a relatively apolitical bridge between the political world and the legal world until Braverman sought to politicize it in her quest to climb the greasy pole. If his aim by appointing a lawyer rather than a politician to the role was to return it to its roots, that would be a great service to the country. Early days yet but encouraging start. Uninterested in the Netherlands, I live in the UK not the EU. Incidentally, as a direct result of EU policy and the pro EU political establishment in this country, in 2007 England overtook the Netherlands as the most densely populated country in Europe, which is why we have c14,000 foreign criminals in UK prisons who thanks to the ECHR will not be deported on completion of their sentences. Early days indeed. Or to put it another way, the calm before the storm. You should be interested in any solutions to the Country’s problems that have been trialed elsewhere. We don’t always have to reinvent the wheel. It will be interesting to see how a “populist” government performs in France if that comes to pass. It may have lessons for us however it turns out. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 6, 2024 14:05:00 GMT
Uninterested in the Netherlands, I live in the UK not the EU. Incidentally, as a direct result of EU policy and the pro EU political establishment in this country, in 2007 England overtook the Netherlands as the most densely populated country in Europe, which is why we have c14,000 foreign criminals in UK prisons who thanks to the ECHR will not be deported on completion of their sentences. Early days indeed. Or to put it another way, the calm before the storm. You should be interested in any solutions to the Country’s problems that have been trialed elsewhere. We don’t always have to reinvent the wheel. It will be interesting to see how a “populist” government performs in France if that comes to pass. It may have lessons for us however it turns out. The solution to many problems would be to secure our borders reduce immigration and stop illegals from the EU crossing the channel. However, that is not going to happen with this government. Starmer has killed the Rwanda plan, even though illegals said it was a deterrent, and EU states are considering their own Rwanda plans. And are you aware that the new Home Secretary Yvette Cooper said the UK 'refugee' quota will rise ten fold. Smash the gangs my arse. There is only one way immigration figures are going.  |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 6, 2024 14:31:25 GMT
I'll tell you what's embarrassing about Starmers cabinet; Foreign Secretary David Lammy. I cringe when I think of that man representing the UK on a global stage. If Trump is elected in November, as is expected, how might UK/US relations be affected by a UK foreign secretary who has said among other things... Trump is a racist KKK Nazi sympathiser. I will march against Donald Trump. [In London] Trump is a woman hating, neo-Nazi-sympathising sociopath. Trump is a profound threat to international order. Lammy's pitiful anti Trump rhetoric, which he now undoubtedly regrets, matters. Anyone who is unaware that Trump holds a grudge has not been paying attention. So probably about the same as Boris and the eu then? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 6, 2024 14:35:06 GMT
So probably about the same as Boris and the eu then? You may have to expand on that a tad... |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 6, 2024 14:42:11 GMT
I'll tell you what's embarrassing about Starmers cabinet; Foreign Secretary David Lammy. I cringe when I think of that man representing the UK on a global stage. If Trump is elected in November, as is expected, how might UK/US relations be affected by a UK foreign secretary who has said among other things... Trump is a racist KKK Nazi sympathiser. I will march against Donald Trump. [In London] Trump is a woman hating, neo-Nazi-sympathising sociopath. Trump is a profound threat to international order. Lammy's pitiful anti Trump rhetoric, which he now undoubtedly regrets, matters. Anyone who is unaware that Trump holds a grudge has not been paying attention. So probably about the same as Boris and the eu then? That's how stupid Labour were, they allowed the likes of Lammy to trash the most powerful leader in the world, and allowed Khan to make a twat of us with his Big baby nappy balloon of Trump... they are so fucking stupid they didn't stop to think one day if we are the government and Starmer will be Prime Minister we will need to do business with these people ....... Lammy too busy playing the race card, and Khan too busy being a racist ... thick as pigshit they are. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2024 14:46:05 GMT
The Hamas supporters won this election with one of the lowest turnouts in history, which alone should encourage suspicion. I do not consider the UK to be a functional democracy and believe it's just too corrupt to function as anything more than an establishment dictatorship that treats the British people with contempt. To shift between two parties where politicians switch between the two to maintain their careers should be enough to give it away. Without the bullshit it's basically the same single-party system that China has, only that China are far more honest about their setup.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2024 14:53:33 GMT
So probably about the same as Boris and the eu then? That's how stupid Labour were, they allowed the likes of Lammy to trash the most powerful leader in the world, and allowed Khan to make a twat of us with his Big baby nappy balloon of Trump... they are so fucking stupid they didn't stop to think one day if we are the government and Starmer will be Prime Minister we will need these to do business with these people ....... Lammy too busy playing the race card, and Khan too busy being a racist ... thick as pigshit they are. Lammy is a moron who hates the British people. Labour place the interests of Islamists above the British people and openly seek to brainwash children and prosecute the parents who object. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 6, 2024 15:08:20 GMT
So probably about the same as Boris and the eu then? That's how stupid Labour were, they allowed the likes of Lammy to trash the most powerful leader in the world, and allowed Khan to make a twat of us with his Big baby nappy balloon of Trump... they are so fucking stupid they didn't stop to think one day if we are the government and Starmer will be Prime Minister we will need to do business with these people ....... Lammy too busy playing the race card, and Khan too busy being a racist ... thick as pigshit they are. They're not "fucking stupid" enough to think that the Trump balloon was Khan's. 🙃 |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 6, 2024 15:09:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2024 15:11:38 GMT
Well, those who supported liberty did believe that the Jew hating fascists would be first to support Islamist blasphemy laws.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 6, 2024 15:12:18 GMT
That's how stupid Labour were, they allowed the likes of Lammy to trash the most powerful leader in the world, and allowed Khan to make a twat of us with his Big baby nappy balloon of Trump... they are so fucking stupid they didn't stop to think one day if we are the government and Starmer will be Prime Minister we will need to do business with these people ....... Lammy too busy playing the race card, and Khan too busy being a racist ... thick as pigshit they are. They're not "fucking stupid" enough to think that the Trump balloon was Khan's. 🙃 What are you on about?
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