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Post by Vinny on Jul 5, 2024 9:32:48 GMT
That may or may not be true but we have Europhiles in charge now and we know Starmer was an arch Remainer and will 'build' better relations with the EU which means that the UK may become a sort of Associate member of the EU with much alignment and effectively little non-alignment. Starmer has pretty firmly said no to a customs union, single market, or even freedom of movement. No way in hell is he going to make the UK an associate member - sadly. One good thing. He's learned. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 5, 2024 9:33:19 GMT
4 out of 5 people said: "No".
Labour means nothing.
Were you on here bemoaning FPTP the day after the 2019 GE? This site didn't exist. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 5, 2024 9:40:48 GMT
Not really. Labour have just secured a huge majority with just 34% of the vote. Or, in other words, two-thirds of those who voted didn't vote Labour. So two-thirds of the electorate are disenfranchised from the outset. If we take into account those eligible to vote who didn't bother (and I think it's fair to assume that at least some of those didn't turn out because they knew that they were disenfranchised from the outset) then that figure rises to 80% of the electorate that didn't vote for the winning party. I'm sorry but I no longer see a system which disenfranchises between two-thirds and more than three-quarters of the electorate as being in any way representative. Because it just isn't. LOL so I was actually the only one who was correct, nobody actually thinks it is any kind of landslide only those backward idiots and their followers of fashion, its all-pretend politics. One thing for sure they cannot say they represent anywhere near the majority of the public, which luckily for the followers of fashion we made sure of. Well quite.
All of the "Big three*" went backwards. All polled less than last time. All are less popular than before.
Anyone who thinks that's evidence of a groundswell of support for the left is deluding themselves.
*In reality only two of which actually qualify.
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Post by vlk on Jul 5, 2024 9:48:03 GMT
Despite winning Labour certainly expected more than 35% and 409 seats. The polls gave them 40% and 450+ seats.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 5, 2024 9:49:18 GMT
LOL so I was actually the only one who was correct, nobody actually thinks it is any kind of landslide only those backward idiots and their followers of fashion, its all-pretend politics. One thing for sure they cannot say they represent anywhere near the majority of the public, which luckily for the followers of fashion we made sure of. Well quite.
All of the "Big three*" went backwards. All polled less than last time. All are less popular than before.
Anyone who thinks that's evidence of a groundswell of support for the left is deluding themselves.
*In reality only two of which actually qualify.
Exactly, said it before, there's only one General Election since 1997 in which Labour's vote went up instead of down (2017). They've all done worse this time, it's not that Labour are more popular, it's that the Tories have collapsed. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 5, 2024 9:50:21 GMT
That may or may not be true but we have Europhiles in charge now and we know Starmer was an arch Remainer and will 'build' better relations with the EU which means that the UK may become a sort of Associate member of the EU with much alignment and effectively little non-alignment. Starmer has pretty firmly said no to a customs union, single market, or even freedom of movement. No way in hell is he going to make the UK an associate member - sadly. Thank fuck for that. On the other hand, he will play into Macron's book by laying down the UK's defense and intelligence personal to a French/German general, who will decide the bulk of our foreign policy. Great! |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jul 5, 2024 10:13:15 GMT
Well congratulations to all the lefty's , at least we now have a stationary target as opposed to the left sliding tories . Makes no difference to me which of the social democrat parties are in No 10 . On the plus side we have 4 right wingers in the house of commons whereas yesterday we had none ,the biggest percentage rise of any party by a country mile  Bit of straw clutching there but Im taking it I endorse much of what you say here … but I see Reform policies as more Moderate and self-protectionist … than where the Tory right wing or the Labour left wing sits together holding hands behind our backs. Reform People wanted Peace instead of War … secure borders and armies deployed ‘defensively’ rather than ‘offensively’ (as seen in today’s NATO) …fast track removal of illegals, criminals and terrorist radicals .. better run economies, less anarchy/street/media protest bullying. … surely this is all middle of the road, Moderate, attractive mainstream policy - that REFORM was trying to communicate? … when given a meagre platform to do so. Where as the Tories embraced all the other extremes mentioned above … and Labour rubber-stamped approval. It looks like the ‘Zionist MSM smear bombardment’ partly succeeded in duping the Electorate that Reform were ‘Far Right’ …. rather than just Nationalist and common sense. …. That combination doesn’t have to have an ‘extremist label’ … unless you are Zionist+BBC Management maybe?😋🙄 … Either way … Nationalism challenges the Zionist/Deep State bid for World Domination … so naturally these two factions … entrenched in Whitehall, GCHQ, the MOD, Bush House, Wapping, Islington, NATO, the EU, the USA and ISRAEL … will collectively, powerfully, totally (hysterically)propagandise crushing UK Nationalism that sees these factions as an oppressive outside interference. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 5, 2024 11:11:14 GMT
The most unfortunate issue to arise from last nights results is the rise in sectarianism. What was once confined to small pockets in NI and Scotland has now spread across the land due to the massive influx of immigrants. The loss of seats to independents who prioritise religious sectarian politics in the Middle East is a most unfortunate escalation.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 5, 2024 11:14:59 GMT
The most unfortunate issue to arise from last nights results is the rise in sectarianism. What was once confined to small pockets in NI and Scotland has now spread across the land due to the massive influx of immigrants. The loss of seats to independents who prioritise religious sectarian politics in the Middle East is an most unfortunate escalation. Labour are reaping what they sow, their once bread and butter voters are forming their political party, because they are now in vast numbers they have the power and money, funded by terrorists. ...... Well done Labour. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 5, 2024 11:45:09 GMT
A few weeks back I predicted that Labour wouldn't pick up any votes. That tribal Labour voters would continue to vote for them but no one else would.
And I predicted that they would win purely because Tory support would collapse.
Well I was wrong. Labour actually lost votes.
They haven't won anything. They're there by default.
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Post by aristaeus on Jul 5, 2024 11:52:15 GMT
LOL so I was actually the only one who was correct, nobody actually thinks it is any kind of landslide only those backward idiots and their followers of fashion, its all-pretend politics. One thing for sure they cannot say they represent anywhere near the majority of the public, which luckily for the followers of fashion we made sure of. Well quite.
All of the "Big three*" went backwards. All polled less than last time. All are less popular than before.
Labour and Lib Dems both increased their vote share. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 5, 2024 11:56:45 GMT
The most unfortunate issue to arise from last nights results is the rise in sectarianism. What was once confined to small pockets in NI and Scotland has now spread across the land due to the massive influx of immigrants. The loss of seats to independents who prioritise religious sectarian politics in the Middle East is an most unfortunate escalation. Labour are reaping what they sow, their once bread and butter voters are forming their political party, because they are now in vast numbers they have the power and money, funded by terrorists. ...... Well done Labour. Is that the Hamas cheer squad booing and heckling her? Edit: It was. Labour danced with the devil and this is what it sows - the Islamoleft. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13603707/Moment-furious-Labour-MP-Jess-Phillips-takes-pro-Palestinian-mob-booed-beat-independent.html |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 5, 2024 11:57:45 GMT
Well quite.
All of the "Big three*" went backwards. All polled less than last time. All are less popular than before.
Labour and Lib Dems both increased their vote share. Because less people voted. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 5, 2024 12:04:06 GMT
Well quite.
All of the "Big three*" went backwards. All polled less than last time. All are less popular than before.
Labour and Lib Dems both increased their vote share. But not their actual vote. Both lost votes over 2019. 2019 Labour under the command of the disastrously bad Jeremy Corbyn. 10,269,051 votes. LibDems under the command of the disastrously bad Jo Swinson. 3,696,419 votes.
2024:
Labour 9,686,329 votes.
Lib Dems 3,499,969 votes.
What do you think would have happened under Proportional Representation?
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 5, 2024 12:29:31 GMT
You can almost lip read what Jess Philips is saying under her breath
'You ungrateful foreigners, Labour have looked after you, made sure all our councils gave you everything you needed, putting you before British born white citizens, and this is how you repay us, well fuck you' .... or words to that effect.
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