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Post by witchfinder on Jul 4, 2024 10:07:25 GMT
THe byword of the ( hopefully ) outgoing Conservative government has been "Cuts"
Posters state that they do not trust Starmer with our defence, yet our Army is now the smallest it has been since the Act Of Union. All our armed forces are now smaller due to 14 years of cuts, however the Royal Navy is probably more effective due to 2 new Capital Class Aircraft Carriers which were ordered by the last Labour government.
Under Keir Starmer there will be more defence co-operation with Europe, of which most defence analysts agree is the right thing to do.
Under Keir Starmer there will be a commitment to increasing Defence Spending, and a commitment to modernising our independent nuclear capability.
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Post by Orac on Jul 4, 2024 10:30:09 GMT
My view is what the Tories did re immigration was a 'punishment beating' for Brexit. 'Try that shit again and we will take your fucking houses off you and give them to the Somalians'Most of the original populists have either retired from politics and just keep our hands in here and there, hence why the establishment believe they have everything back under control, they have slowly but surely in their minds quashed the thought of direct democracy and turned it into PR which would never be the same thing, they will always meter out some kind of punishment to those who dare step out of line, they actually faced a political revolution which Boris and his crew were sent to dispatch, you don't win them all, we are about to face the next onslaught by new labour, while the Farage has been allowed to use tools the establishment don't own. So they have attacked with ones they do, politics is much more dangerous than people think and the establishment never like being questioned about their motives. Whereas our motives are honest intentions to bring back to the people the right of democracy and the peoples control of their own lives through said democracy, scary shit for any establishment. Through Cameron amongst a few others before him we knew the punishment would be a block punishment. I think talking about The Conservative or labor Party as separate entities, either from each other or the establishment, is entirely misplaced now. It's clear to me the establishment has an agenda and it seems to include the free movement of criminals across national borders, the dismantling of western nations / culture, child / people trafficking and the cowering of populations using either crime or the threat trade disengagement. The aim seems to be to create one giant crime ridden, undifferentiated third world shit-hole populated by entirely powerless, and therefore malleable, people. The conservatives, if elected, would pursue this course as energetically as labour. It is just one party. |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 4, 2024 10:36:46 GMT
Most of the original populists have either retired from politics and just keep our hands in here and there, hence why the establishment believe they have everything back under control, they have slowly but surely in their minds quashed the thought of direct democracy and turned it into PR which would never be the same thing, they will always meter out some kind of punishment to those who dare step out of line, they actually faced a political revolution which Boris and his crew were sent to dispatch, you don't win them all, we are about to face the next onslaught by new labour, while the Farage has been allowed to use tools the establishment don't own. So they have attacked with ones they do, politics is much more dangerous than people think and the establishment never like being questioned about their motives. Whereas our motives are honest intentions to bring back to the people the right of democracy and the peoples control of their own lives through said democracy, scary shit for any establishment. Through Cameron amongst a few others before him we knew the punishment would be a block punishment. I think talking about The Conservative or labor Party as separate entities, either from each other or the establishment, is entirely misplaced now. It's clear to me the establishment has an agenda and it seems to include the free movement of criminals across national borders, the dismantling of western nations / culture, child / people trafficking and the cowering of populations using either crime or the threat trade disengagement. The aim seems to be to create one giant crime ridden, undifferentiated third world shit-hole populated by entirely powerless, and therefore malleable, people. The conservatives, if elected, would pursue this course as energetically as labour. It is just one party. Because like it or not Parliament is controlled by the establishment not by the people, that is just a fact. Farage knows it just as well as the rest of us, so if you vote for the establishment, you get the establishment and all the shit that goes with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2024 10:57:24 GMT
I think you are all forgetting that the conservative party have not had a proper centre right Conservative leader since Michael Howard, who was followed by prime minister Cameron, and that's when the centrist rot started. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2024 11:03:13 GMT
None of which makes any difference when you're inviting your enemies in. The Tories were bad, Labour will throw the doors open. Very true, and this is why it's very important to understand exactly what is supporting Labour.
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 4, 2024 11:04:49 GMT
And a past MI6 chief says we’ve got ten years linkAnyway it looks like Steamer will be our next pm but do you trust him wit our defence,I don’t. Think he could be trusted more than Commi Corbyn |
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 4, 2024 11:09:10 GMT
In what way are they 'letting the enemy in'? Who are the enemy? Those that hate us and wish us harm. you mean home Grown terrorist |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 4, 2024 11:12:35 GMT
THe byword of the ( hopefully ) outgoing Conservative government has been "Cuts" Posters state that they do not trust Starmer with our defence, yet our Army is now the smallest it has been since the Act Of Union. All our armed forces are now smaller due to 14 years of cuts, however the Royal Navy is probably more effective due to 2 new Capital Class Aircraft Carriers which were ordered by the last Labour government.two white elephants that we cannot deploy and which, due to the overspend, has reduced our capability in other areas.. If Starmer is going to base his defence policy on New Labour then we really are fucked - don't get me started on the Snatch Landrover fiasco. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2024 11:15:35 GMT
Corbyn was quite honest about his views and intent. He couldn't be supported because of the nasty people he jumped into bed with, and his politics were quite mad. Starmer is absolute lying two-faced dogshit.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 4, 2024 11:24:34 GMT
THe byword of the ( hopefully ) outgoing Conservative government has been "Cuts" Posters state that they do not trust Starmer with our defence, yet our Army is now the smallest it has been since the Act Of Union. All our armed forces are now smaller due to 14 years of cuts, however the Royal Navy is probably more effective due to 2 new Capital Class Aircraft Carriers which were ordered by the last Labour government. Under Keir Starmer there will be more defence co-operation with Europe, of which most defence analysts agree is the right thing to do. Under Keir Starmer there will be a commitment to increasing Defence Spending, and a commitment to modernising our independent nuclear capability. Defence cooperation with NATO is the right thing to do. We also need to improve our conventional forces to reduce the risk of nukes as a last resort. Re-purchase and reopen RAF Scampton. Get BAE Systems to put Harriers back into production and equip two squadrons with upgraded Harriers for ground attack work.
Buy the RAF two squadrons of F16s as well.
Two new squadrons of Reaper drones from the USA.
10 more P8 Poseidons.
Re-equip the Army. Buy 600 Leopard 2 tanks from Germany, retrofit them with kettles.
Buy another 50 Boeing Apaches with Longbow radar.
300 more MLRS rocket launchers. I realise we'll need to borrow, but we're in a situation of global emergency due to the threat posed by dictatorships right now. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 4, 2024 11:29:51 GMT
And a past MI6 chief says we’ve got ten years linkAnyway it looks like Steamer will be our next pm but do you trust him wit our defence,I don’t. It's interesting as 'past MI6 chief' bemoans Britain's relevance defense wise when floating thoughout Europe, all because of Brexit. I actually welcome this aspect of 'Little Britain' taking a back seat in 'policing' the world with our morals. We've seen throughout history that meddling in other nations' affairs usually ends in long-term acrimony. We should be done with that charade. Iraq should have taught us that. Let some other mug throw their 'Western values' at the feet of sectarian bigots, warlords, authoritarians and what not. I for one welcome this 'Little Britain'. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 4, 2024 11:33:19 GMT
"Speak softly, and carry a BIG STICK."
Best way to be.
Do not look for war, do not start wars, but be so prepared for war nobody stars on us.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 4, 2024 11:44:14 GMT
THe byword of the ( hopefully ) outgoing Conservative government has been "Cuts" Posters state that they do not trust Starmer with our defence, yet our Army is now the smallest it has been since the Act Of Union. All our armed forces are now smaller due to 14 years of cuts, however the Royal Navy is probably more effective due to 2 new Capital Class Aircraft Carriers which were ordered by the last Labour government. Under Keir Starmer there will be more defence co-operation with Europe, of which most defence analysts agree is the right thing to do.
Under Keir Starmer there will be a commitment to increasing Defence Spending, and a commitment to modernising our independent nuclear capability. Does more defence co-operation with the EU mean UK troops under the command of Brussels? I think you would have to be pretty naive to believe the EU has shelved long held plans for an EU army. If pro EU Starmer goes down this route, and I have every confidence he would view it sympathetically, he will never be forgiven. Not even by Labour voters. Starmer has NOT committed to increase defence spending to 2.5% as Sunak has. Starmer said it was an 'aim' but refused to commit to it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2024 11:49:51 GMT
"Speak softly, and carry a BIG STICK." Best way to be. Do not look for war, do not start wars, but be so prepared for war nobody stars on us. I believe the EU is as responsible as Russia for the war in Ukraine. The EU just expected the USA and other suckers to fight for the EU Reich's expansion.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 4, 2024 12:13:19 GMT
The EU did encourage Putin to do whatever he wanted.
They did nothing about the illegal wars against Chechnya.
They did nothing when evidence came to light that the Russian apartment bombings were actually carried out by the FSB.
They did nothing about the murders of Russian journalists and politicians.
They made themselves dependent on his oil and gas and coal.
They did nothing when he poisoned Ukrainian Presidential Candidate Viktor Yuschenko.
They did nothing when his assassins were murdering his critics in EU member states.
They even did nothing when he threatened the invasion of Ukraine in 2008.
Putin's idea of diplomacy is to bully, and to give a bully what he wants, encourages more bullying.
They ignored his bullying whilst inviting Ukraine to put itself in jeopardy of being attacked, without giving any security assurances to Ukraine to cover it in the eventuality of being assaulted.
It's a bit like having a shag with a violent scumbag's wife knowing full well she'll get beaten up for it, getting her pregnant, and doing nothing to protect her.
Putin is to blame for his violence, but the EU is to blame for appeasement.
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