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Post by Bentley on Jul 7, 2024 17:26:34 GMT
It’s a lie now and your post does not refute a claim that it was always about money. But this limit to zero road tax and free use of the CC zone was known about years ago, so Khan can't be blamed for people not knowing... Nevertheless the congestion charge is a money spinner and nothing to do with clean air …if it ever was . |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 7, 2024 17:51:41 GMT
EV's should be liable to the congestion charge as they cause a lot of pollution - someone needs to pay for that.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 7, 2024 18:05:27 GMT
next it will be a fee for each mile you drive in London Not just in London H, Labour will introduce road pricing across the country. Watch this space. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 7, 2024 18:05:52 GMT
EV's should be liable to the congestion charge as they cause a lot of pollution - someone needs to pay for that. Not to mention road damage. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 7, 2024 18:07:51 GMT
next it will be a fee for each mile you drive in London Don't some motor insurance companies also offer pay-per-mile policies...? Not that I'm aware of -AFAIAA some may offer restricted policies for youngsters that monitors time of driving by a black box type of thing in the vehicle |
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Post by patman post on Jul 8, 2024 14:00:54 GMT
EV's should be liable to the congestion charge as they cause a lot of pollution - someone needs to pay for that. Fairness suggests they should not be road tax exempt, and they won't be after April 2025... |
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Post by patman post on Jul 8, 2024 14:10:25 GMT
next it will be a fee for each mile you drive in London Not just in London H, Labour will introduce road pricing across the country. Watch this space. Seems a fair way to tax vehicles.
Before EVs came on the scene, there was a strong lobby suggesting the annual road tax should be dropped or reduced, and that fuel should carry that tax. For one thing, it meant untaxed vehicles wouldn't be escaping that part of their obligation.
Road pricing might be fairer, and pay-per-mile would be fairer still...
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Post by Bentley on Jul 8, 2024 14:57:43 GMT
Not just in London H, Labour will introduce road pricing across the country. Watch this space. Seems a fair way to tax vehicles.
Before EVs came on the scene, there was a strong lobby suggesting the annual road tax should be dropped or reduced, and that fuel should carry that tax. For one thing, it meant untaxed vehicles wouldn't be escaping that part of their obligation.
Road pricing might be fairer, and pay-per-mile would be fairer still...
Not if it was rolled outside of metropolitan areas |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 8, 2024 15:33:43 GMT
So the claim that it was for cleaner air was a lie all along . Not true. The congestion charge is 21 years old. When exemptions were made for EVs, they followed Vehicle road tax rate exemptions. These also finish in 2025... The Original Congestion Charge introduced by Red Ken Livingston had little or nothing to do with pollution level it was introduced to cut the number of vehicles in Central London " When London’s congestion charge was introduced by the city’s first mayor, Ken Livingstone, he hoped the charge would reduce congestion, radically improve bus services, make journey times more consistent for drivers and increase efficiency for those distributing goods and services throughout the city. Key measures show it has been a success: in 2006, Transport for London (TfL) reported that the charge reduced traffic by 15% and congestion – that is, the extra time a trip would take because of traffic – by 30%. This effect has continued to today. Traffic volumes in the charging zone are now nearly a quarter lower than a decade ago, allowing central London road space to be given over to cyclists and pedestrians. The charge covers a 21km² area in London. It’s a simple system: if you enter the zone between 7am and 6pm on a weekday, you pay a flat daily rate. The charge has risen gradually from £5 in 2003 to £11.50 today. Residents receive a 90% discount and registered disabled people can travel for free. Emergency services, motorcycles, taxis and minicabs are exempt. "" The result also meant that those delivering goods or providing services to Central London increased their charges to the buyers who passed that onto to customers, Khan's scheme is doing the same on a much larger scale |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 8, 2024 16:35:09 GMT
Not just in London H, Labour will introduce road pricing across the country. Watch this space. Seems a fair way to tax vehicles.
Before EVs came on the scene, there was a strong lobby suggesting the annual road tax should be dropped or reduced, and that fuel should carry that tax. For one thing, it meant untaxed vehicles wouldn't be escaping that part of their obligation.
Road pricing might be fairer, and pay-per-mile would be fairer still...
I'm going off on one here... ...but road/vehicle tax (VED) isn't fair. It raises about £8 billion a year a fraction of which is spent on road maintenance, which it was originally intended for. The majority of it goes to the exchequer to pay for everything from schools to the NHS and that's just VED, when you consider all the other taxes motorists pay they must be subsidising the economy to the tune of hundreds of £billions a year. Therefor it seems obvious to me that electric car drivers will sooner or later get bashed with various taxes because the government cant afford to lose all that lovely revenue. Road pricing will not be fair, it will never be fair because motorists are seen as cash cows. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 8, 2024 18:49:43 GMT
Seems a fair way to tax vehicles.
Before EVs came on the scene, there was a strong lobby suggesting the annual road tax should be dropped or reduced, and that fuel should carry that tax. For one thing, it meant untaxed vehicles wouldn't be escaping that part of their obligation.
Road pricing might be fairer, and pay-per-mile would be fairer still...
Not if it was rolled outside of metropolitan areas Why? Roads don’t just exist in metropolitan areas… |
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Post by patman post on Jul 8, 2024 19:07:16 GMT
Seems a fair way to tax vehicles.
Before EVs came on the scene, there was a strong lobby suggesting the annual road tax should be dropped or reduced, and that fuel should carry that tax. For one thing, it meant untaxed vehicles wouldn't be escaping that part of their obligation.
Road pricing might be fairer, and pay-per-mile would be fairer still...
I'm going off on one here... ...but road/vehicle tax (VED) isn't fair. It raises about £8 billion a year a fraction of which is spent on road maintenance, which it was originally intended for. The majority of it goes to the exchequer to pay for everything from schools to the NHS and that's just VED, when you consider all the other taxes motorists pay they must be subsidising the economy to the tune of hundreds of £billions a year. Therefor it seems obvious to me that electric car drivers will sooner or later get bashed with various taxes because the government cant afford to lose all that lovely revenue. Road pricing will not be fair, it will never be fair because motorists are seen as cash cows. All that might be true, but it doesn’t address the means of taxing vehicles… |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 8, 2024 19:17:28 GMT
I'm going off on one here... ...but road/vehicle tax (VED) isn't fair. It raises about £8 billion a year a fraction of which is spent on road maintenance, which it was originally intended for. The majority of it goes to the exchequer to pay for everything from schools to the NHS and that's just VED, when you consider all the other taxes motorists pay they must be subsidising the economy to the tune of hundreds of £billions a year. Therefor it seems obvious to me that electric car drivers will sooner or later get bashed with various taxes because the government cant afford to lose all that lovely revenue. Road pricing will not be fair, it will never be fair because motorists are seen as cash cows. All that might be true, but it doesn’t address the means of taxing vehicles… Road pricing. But it will be anything but fair. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 8, 2024 19:29:33 GMT
All that might be true, but it doesn’t address the means of taxing vehicles… Road pricing. But it will be anything but fair. I’ve thought for a long time that the more vehicles use the roads, the more they should pay. But the means of applying such a scheme hasn’t been obvious until now. Using modern tracking, charging can now be implemented. Isn’t the discussion over whether taxing vehicles is fair something different…? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 8, 2024 19:43:07 GMT
Road pricing. But it will be anything but fair. I’ve thought for a long time that the more vehicles use the roads, the more they should pay. But the means of applying such a scheme hasn’t been obvious until now. Using modern tracking, charging can now be implemented. Isn’t the discussion over whether taxing vehicles is fair something different…? Now you're talking. Without a shadow of doubt digital/satellite tracking is defo the future and it will cause much unrest. How far in the future, who knows, less than 20 years for sure. I'm glad it wont affect me, I imagine there will be quite a backlash and I'm sure the government, whichever government is in power, wont want to discuss it, yet. On the issue of fair, of course road pricing wont be fair. The government depend on revenue from motorists far too heavily for any road pricing scheme to be fair. It will be sold as a necessary evil to combat congestion/pollution/road deaths/climate change/anything. But wont be fair. |
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