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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 19:33:50 GMT
vinny i dont really care. If you think scottish indy is all about the EU , and nothing else , then you are even more deluded than i thought.
Nah, Scottish 'indy' is all about sticking the finger up at England. its about leaving the uk , and the argument is between the british and the scottish. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 19:35:42 GMT
vinny i dont really care. If you think scottish indy is all about the EU , and nothing else , then you are even more deluded than i thought.
It's a Celtic football hooligan ideology. Meanwhile 2m Scots aren't interested in it. And rather telling that your avatar has a sword in it, a weapon. Why does Scottish nationalism need symbols like weapons in it? Swords can be cool, but not in politics. i mean is this really a serious post vinny? Celtic football hooligans and avatars with swords in it?
I never knew you were such a snowflake vinny.
Theres no i in denial vinny did you know that?
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Post by Vinny on Oct 23, 2022 19:39:50 GMT
Nah, Scottish 'indy' is all about sticking the finger up at England. its about leaving the uk , and the argument is between the british and the scottish. It's about sticking two fingers up at England, whilst trying to keep trade with it. It isn't about independence as in the EU there is no independence. You'd have the EU's common external customs tariff policy, VAT policy, you'd have a hard border with the rest of Britain, you'd have to adopt the Euro, you'd have to resolve passport rights for millions of Scots Welsh Northern Irish and English people in Scotland and Scots in the rest of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It's a romantic fantasy that will never EVER happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 19:41:37 GMT
vinny i dont really care. If you think scottish indy is all about the EU , and nothing else , then you are even more deluded than i thought.
And rather telling that your avatar has a sword in it, a weapon. Well mine has a cuddly cat with a marked resemblance of Hitler, whilst yours has a character most noted for gun toting a magnum around. You can read too much into an avatar, as you seem to be doing. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 19:45:43 GMT
its about leaving the uk , and the argument is between the british and the scottish. It's about sticking two fingers up at England, whilst trying to keep trade with it. It isn't about independence as in the EU there is no independence. You'd have the EU's common external customs tariff policy, VAT policy, you'd have a hard border with the rest of Britain, you'd have to adopt the Euro, you'd have to resolve passport rights for millions of Scots Welsh Northern Irish and English people in Scotland and Scots in the rest of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It's a romantic fantasy that will never EVER happen. ah ok vinny. I think you have enough problems at the minute in your country without worrying about anyone else dont you?
wheres the bad news vinny?
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 19:47:01 GMT
And rather telling that your avatar has a sword in it, a weapon. Well mine has a cuddly cat with a marked resemblance of Hitler, whilst yours has a character most noted for gun toting a magnum around. You can read too much into an avatar, as you seem to be doing. its normally the sort of thng that happens steve as im sure you are aware when someone has run out of arguments.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 20:09:30 GMT
vinny i dont really care. If you think scottish indy is all about the EU , and nothing else , then you are even more deluded than i thought.
Nah, Scottish 'indy' is all about sticking the finger up at England. It's a Celtic football hooligan ideology. Meanwhile 2m Scots aren't interested in it. And rather telling that your avatar has a sword in it, a weapon. Why does Scottish nationalism need symbols like weapons in it? Swords can be cool, but not in politics. Is that really the best you can do?
Your argument got thoroughly shown up across pages in the thread so you resort to the stuff like the guy who's now trolling 'shrieky steve' srb in every thread with off-topic ad hominem one-liners? To try and drive the topic into the ground?
Sorry but the topic stands and so does our argument, yours does not.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 23, 2022 20:13:47 GMT
What stands is the referendum result of 2 million to 1.6.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 20:49:08 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Oct 23, 2022 21:01:59 GMT
The SNP's policy has all the negatives of Brexit with none of the positives.
It simply makes Scotland poorer without providing any actual independence.
It's not economically viable, it's not something that enhances democracy (it actually takes away choice because their plan is to have Scotland controlled by the EU), it's madness quite frankly and two million voters who live in Scotland have rejected it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 21:15:43 GMT
The SNP's policy has all the negatives of Brexit with none of the positives. It simply makes Scotland poorer without providing any actual independence. It's not economically viable, it's not something that enhances democracy (it actually takes away choice because their plan is to have Scotland controlled by the EU), it's madness quite frankly and two million voters who live in Scotland have rejected it. You regularly make these grand statements without one iota of proof.
It's funny how Thomas and Jaydee often link reams of proof, only for it to be ignored and their opinion dismissed [by trolls] as "Fascistic drivel" with drive-by one liners? To your credit you don't do that very much, so please don't stoop down to that level.
Proof please for all those assertions?
"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence" - Christopher Hitchens.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 23, 2022 21:38:27 GMT
Proof ? The EU is a customs union. It is the SNP's policy to join it. That means a hard border with the rest of the UK, the common external tariff, a different currency, a separate body for car registrations and other vehicles parallel to the British one. A separate marine management organisation in parallel to the British one. A separate parallel organisation to DEFRA. A parallel OFCOM. A parallel OFWAT. A parallel public health regulator. Masses of extra paperwork and all the associated costs, to be part of a market Scotland barely does any trade with separating from the market most of Scotlands exports go to. Use your head. When the UK was in the EU, Scotland did not do a great deal of business with it.  How can the EU replace the demands of the domestic market for Scottish goods in the future, when it never did in the past ? Sacrificing unimpeded acccess to a market worth £51.2 bn, just for a market worth £16.1bn ? SNP maths do not add up. |
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Post by om15 on Oct 24, 2022 10:45:23 GMT
The Scottish are British. Even in the unlikely event of independence they will still live in Britain. Unless Sturgeon intends to move Scotland to Belgium that is.
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Post by jaydee on Oct 24, 2022 17:58:37 GMT
So there will be a border then, that is what I thought. You really are getting there. You already have a border with the EU. Not only on goods but on people.,. The border was brought about by the English. Who voted to make themself poorer. Has it taken a year for the promised land, and sunny uplands to dawn on you. So what's your problem. The wankers in Westminster think it is the best thing to happen since sliced. to have a border between England and the UK. Curbing goods and the freedom of movement in travel from the UK. How is it suddenly a disaster when Scotland's joins the EU. Which way do you want it. And in response to how utter clueless you are on the rest of your post. And in particular to your ignorant insulting waffle. I am still waiting on you to correct anything I have said. . Now if you want to be taken as a serious poster. Correct it. Instead of just waffling, it is wrong. . |
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Post by jaydee on Oct 24, 2022 18:06:42 GMT
The Scottish are British. Even in the unlikely event of independence they will still live in Britain. Unless Sturgeon intends to move Scotland to Belgium that is. That's rfight. And a nation who voted to remain in the EU. And now looking to divorce themselves from Bankrupt England. Whop the Scots can no longer afford. So perhaps you an tell me why would the First minister move to Belgium. I see you are once again on the circular Jock hating bullshit. and time to go back to the copy and paste. So in anticipation to your next Bravo Sierra. Here is the answer. Before you ask the question. The First minister has stated Scotland will use the pound. A central bank is up and running. For several years. How do you work out she did not. Because you did not know. What two porkies did she tell. That is what you said. As you spectacularly fail to answer why you hate the First Minister and the Scots. . Or what benefit energy rich Scotland would gain remaining part of bankrupt England. Or how a border you voted for, is the fault of others. There will be no border on those coming from England into Scotland. That you will have created. Are silly Englishmen going to put up machine gun posts, on the other way about. . |
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