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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 4, 2024 8:28:36 GMT
No. He would have to be deluded to believe that the population of Newham would vote for a party that says that in the first 100 days it will freeze all 'non-essential' migration, place illegal migrants in secure detention, immediately deport all foreign criminals, bar student dependents, impose a five-year residency requirement to claim any UK benefits and impose a 20% NI rate on all foreign workers. Why would the 85% non-White British population of Newham vote for any of that? I suppose in much teh same way that Zia Yusuf is a major donor to Reform and speaks with total conviction and sense when he defends his position. Being right is eminently easy as the position is easily defended. What proportion of the Muslim population of Newham, or indeed of the country as a whole, do you believe share Mr Yusuf's reverence for 'British Values'? |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 4, 2024 12:36:54 GMT
Anyone who thinks Farage is a "national hero" is seriously belittling the contributions made for this country by our real heroes, and should be ashamed. He's political grifter, a rabble-rouser who only cares about his moment in the spotlight. He's great at holding, and swaying an audience; he's great at holding the feet of other politicians to the fire. He's not very good on accountability; hence his "political party" actually being a Private Company over which he has absolute control (owning 8 of just 15 shares, so he can never ben voted against). He is, like most politicians, a great snake-oil salesman; but he is not a national hero, and it is both shameful and moronic to suggest he is. All The Best |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 4, 2024 12:47:38 GMT
I suppose in much teh same way that Zia Yusuf is a major donor to Reform and speaks with total conviction and sense when he defends his position. Being right is eminently easy as the position is easily defended. What proportion of the Muslim population of Newham, or indeed of the country as a whole, do you believe share Mr Yusuf's reverence for 'British Values'? Not many, what I am saying is the colour of skin may be a general indicator of how people will vote but not a definitive one. So giving the opportunity to express those views is vitally important. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 4, 2024 12:53:24 GMT
Anyone who thinks Farage is a "national hero" is seriously belittling the contributions made for this country by our real heroes, and should be ashamed. He's political grifter, a rabble-rouser who only cares about his moment in the spotlight. He's great at holding, and swaying an audience; he's great at holding the feet of other politicians to the fire. He's not very good on accountability; hence his "political party" actually being a Private Company over which he has absolute control (owning 8 of just 15 shares, so he can never ben voted against). He is, like most politicians, a great snake-oil salesman; but the is no national hero and it is both shameful and moronic to suggest he is. All The Best Then you have not been listening. We need politicians to have some charisma and vision and they also need to be larger than life in many ways. Holding another politicians feet to the fire I would have thought was a vital attribute. His 'private company' is heading for membership post election and if he is elected in Clacton we expect to see a few politicians with singed feet and bruised egos in the years ahead. That is true accountability which has been sadly lacking in the Westminster club for a good number of years. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 4, 2024 15:12:29 GMT
Anyone who thinks Farage is a "national hero" is seriously belittling the contributions made for this country by our real heroes, and should be ashamed. He's political grifter, a rabble-rouser who only cares about his moment in the spotlight. He's great at holding, and swaying an audience; he's great at holding the feet of other politicians to the fire. He's not very good on accountability; hence his "political party" actually being a Private Company over which he has absolute control (owning 8 of just 15 shares, so he can never ben voted against). He is, like most politicians, a great snake-oil salesman; but the is no national hero and it is both shameful and moronic to suggest he is. All The Best Then you have not been listening. We need politicians to have some charisma and vision and they also need to be larger than life in many ways. Holding another politicians feet to the fire I would have thought was a vital attribute. His 'private company' is heading for membership post election and if he is elected in Clacton we expect to see a few politicians with singed feet and bruised egos in the years ahead. That is true accountability which has been sadly lacking in the Westminster club for a good number of years. And I agree with all of that. But NONE of that makes him a National Hero. He is not, and never will be, a Nelson, Wellington, or more recently Johnson Beharry, Bryan Budd, James Ashworth, or Joshua Leakey, or Captain Tom Moore, or a Chris Whitty or Jonathan Van-Tam. All The Best |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2024 15:48:25 GMT
Anyone who thinks Farage is a "national hero" is seriously belittling the contributions made for this country by our real heroes, and should be ashamed. He's political grifter, a rabble-rouser who only cares about his moment in the spotlight. He's great at holding, and swaying an audience; he's great at holding the feet of other politicians to the fire. He's not very good on accountability; hence his "political party" actually being a Private Company over which he has absolute control (owning 8 of just 15 shares, so he can never ben voted against). He is, like most politicians, a great snake-oil salesman; but he is not a national hero, and it is both shameful and moronic to suggest he is. All The Best Sounds like he's not your cup of tea. He was 52% of the country's cup of tea in 2016, so he might be considered their hero. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 4, 2024 19:38:20 GMT
Then you have not been listening. We need politicians to have some charisma and vision and they also need to be larger than life in many ways. Holding another politicians feet to the fire I would have thought was a vital attribute. His 'private company' is heading for membership post election and if he is elected in Clacton we expect to see a few politicians with singed feet and bruised egos in the years ahead. That is true accountability which has been sadly lacking in the Westminster club for a good number of years. And I agree with all of that. But NONE of that makes him a National Hero. He is not, and never will be, a Nelson, Wellington, or more recently Johnson Beharry, Bryan Budd, James Ashworth, or Joshua Leakey, or Captain Tom Moore, or a Chris Whitty or Jonathan Van-Tam. All The Best What does make a 'National Hero'? Apparently playing football for 120 minutes and scoring 4 goals in 1966 made 11 men 'National Heroes' |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 4, 2024 20:51:48 GMT
What does make a 'National Hero'? A very good question - to which the answer will be 'it depends'.. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 4, 2024 20:53:10 GMT
Anyone who thinks Farage is a "national hero" is seriously belittling the contributions made for this country by our real heroes, and should be ashamed. He's political grifter, a rabble-rouser who only cares about his moment in the spotlight. He's great at holding, and swaying an audience; he's great at holding the feet of other politicians to the fire. He's not very good on accountability; hence his "political party" actually being a Private Company over which he has absolute control (owning 8 of just 15 shares, so he can never ben voted against). He is, like most politicians, a great snake-oil salesman; but he is not a national hero, and it is both shameful and moronic to suggest he is. All The Best Sounds like he's not your cup of tea. He was 52% of the country's cup of tea in 2016, so he might be considered their hero. So Tony Blair was a hero when New Labour won their landslide victory? Haven't though this through properly, have you? All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 4, 2024 20:53:44 GMT
And I agree with all of that. But NONE of that makes him a National Hero. He is not, and never will be, a Nelson, Wellington, or more recently Johnson Beharry, Bryan Budd, James Ashworth, or Joshua Leakey, or Captain Tom Moore, or a Chris Whitty or Jonathan Van-Tam. All The Best What does make a 'National Hero'? Apparently playing football for 120 minutes and scoring 4 goals in 1966 made 11 men 'National Heroes' N'ah, not to me. All The Best |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 4, 2024 21:17:11 GMT
What does make a 'National Hero'? Apparently playing football for 120 minutes and scoring 4 goals in 1966 made 11 men 'National Heroes' N'ah, not to me. All The Best But to many, which kind of does indicate 'it depends'. |
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