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Post by morayloon on Jul 14, 2024 12:07:00 GMT
We're still in and we're playing in the final, you've jinxed everyone you've backed little SNAT racist. We're your fellow Brits. Whatever happens now, Gareth Southgate and the England squad deserve respect for getting this far. If we win, which is more likely to happen if you back Spain, you'll never hear the end of it because we'll mock you for your racism. What is racist about supporting Spain?
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Post by om15 on Jul 14, 2024 12:10:48 GMT
Andy Murray lives in Oxshott, Leatherhead, so his support for Scottish independence probably stems from the same reason that many of us in the south support Scottish independence, namely to keep our English tax payers money for ourselves, I bet he wouldn't support independence if he lived in Cumbernauld.
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Post by om15 on Jul 14, 2024 12:14:21 GMT
Oliver Brown explains this in an article published today,
Nothing tells you England are in a major final quite like an icy blast of Caledonian ill will. When Gareth Southgate’s players reached their last, at Wembley in 2021, swarms of Scottish fans in Glasgow swapped their dark-blue tops for the Savoy azure of Italy’s. This time, it has fallen to The National, Scotland’s pro-independence newspaper, to pick up the baton. “Time for revenge!” screamed its front page on Saturday, declaring that it was backing Spain with a depiction of Rodri kicking an England fan’s beer belly.
The attached text, urging the Spanish to go for the jugular in Berlin as “revenge” against ghastly English tourists, was exquisitely devoid of self-awareness. “They fill up your beaches!” The No 1 holiday destination for Scots last year? The Canary Islands. “They drink all your beer!” Quite the claim, after the Tartan Army mainlined so much Pilsner in Munich last month that beer hall owners dubbed their visit “Scotoberfest”. “They eat fried breakfasts all day!” Surely the only possible response is to invoke Alan Partridge: “It’s cholesterol. Scottish people eat it.”
This “anyone but England” notion might seem extreme, but it has drawn some high-profile adherents. None more so than Andy Murray, who, when asked who he would be supporting during the 2006 World Cup in Germany, replied: “Whoever England are playing against.” He was only 19 at the time, and the remark drew such vitriol that he instantly regretted it. But The National’s version of sledgehammer wit indicates that the teenage Murray’s sentiment still has traction north of the border. There is a reason why Pat Nevin features in an advertising campaign this weekend masquerading as an honorary Spaniard, on the grounds that he loves patatas bravas and owns an Eldorado boxset.
The National's front page was not very subtle
Such badinage is part of any tournament tapestry. And yet the lighter teasing still mingles with some outright mean-mindedness. As an illustration, it is worth watching a video that has drawn fresh attention since Ollie Watkins’ 90th-minute goal against the Netherlands to send England to the final. In the footage, recorded in the build-up to this European Championship, the Aston Villa striker says, with club captain John McGinn sitting alongside him: “I want Ginny to win if we’re not playing against them.” “Do you?” replies the proud Scot, incredulously. “Yeah,” the striker says, keeping it collegiate. “If you’re playing, I don’t want you to lose.” “Oh,” McGinn shrugs. “I’d want you to get beat if you were playing for England.”
Watkins looks heartbroken, as if this way of thinking has never occurred to him. McGinn proceeds to justify it by pointing to the historic English sin that nobody in Scotland can forget, still less forgive. “Mate, you need to watch the telly. Channel three, mate. It’s all English pundits, all English commentators saying ‘us’. It’s like, ‘We’re paying our TV license here’. You know what I mean?” Absolutely, John. Apart from the fact that “channel three” had Ally McCoist as a co-commentator for England’s semi-final last week, and then crossed to the studio for the views of the Republic of Ireland’s Roy Keane, the logic is impeccable.
In his myopic take, McGinn expresses a form of nationalism that is at least a quarter of a century out of date. It is the same with that risible front page, which resorts to the crude stereotyping that might have been de rigueur in the mid-Nineties, but looks painfully tone-deaf now. The English jingoism was hideous ahead of the match with Germany at Euro ’96, as rival tabloids outdid each other with “Achtung Surrender” and “Page Frau” banners, with one narrowly abandoning a plan to send a Spitfire over the opposition’s training ground and drop copies on Jurgen Klinsmann’s head. By the same token, to see a Scottish newspaper choose a stock image of “tattooed fat bloke in a bucket hat” as its reason for hating England is to wonder whether the last 28 years ever happened.
The feeling is not mutual
If The National hoped to intensify the Anglophobia on this auspicious weekend, the move has backfired. “I really don’t like this at all,” wrote Joanna Cherry, recently-unseated MP for the Scottish National Party. “You have got this all wrong,” said Stuart McMillan, the SNP’s member for Inverclyde. The novelist Christopher Brookmyre, a long-time contributor to the newspaper, vowed never to work for it again. It is a sure sign that in football in 2024, xenophobic provocation – of the kind that Fleet Street, admittedly, once loved with “zey don’t like it up zem” – headlines, has had its day.
Those tempted to defend the “anyone but England” school of thought could point out that fandom can, by its very nature, be petty, irrational, often deeply childish. But perhaps its defining perversity is that the feeling is not mutual. There is seldom, if ever, an “anyone but Scotland” undercurrent detectable in an English sporting audience. Take Wimbledon, for example: a more quintessentially English ambience, where sport meets a summer garden party, you would struggle to find. And yet just one week ago, the place stood as one to salute a Scot.
Nobody in the crowd held it against the departing Murray that he had once impugned the Three Lions, or that he had once turned up at the All England Club wearing Saltire sweatbands. They simply rose to acclaim a great champion. Why, then, should there still be such spite in reverse? Sunday’s final is, surely, an occasion to recognise that times have changed – and that an “anyone but England” mentality hurts nobody but Scotland.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 14, 2024 12:35:49 GMT
We're still in and we're playing in the final, you've jinxed everyone you've backed little SNAT racist. We're your fellow Brits. Whatever happens now, Gareth Southgate and the England squad deserve respect for getting this far. If we win, which is more likely to happen if you back Spain, you'll never hear the end of it because we'll mock you for your racism. What is racist about supporting Spain? The fact that you're doing it out of hate for the English.
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Post by morayloon on Jul 15, 2024 0:23:25 GMT
Andy Murray lives in Oxshott, Leatherhead, so his support for Scottish independence probably stems from the same reason that many of us in the south support Scottish independence, namely to keep our English tax payers money for ourselves, I bet he wouldn't support independence if he lived in Cumbernauld. Andy Murray lives in Leatherhead? so what? The rest of your post is pure drivel
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Post by morayloon on Jul 15, 2024 0:25:25 GMT
What is racist about supporting Spain? The fact that you're doing it out of hate for the English. Hate for the English? Do me a favour! I couldn't care less about England. Pointing out how Scotland is treated in the toxic united kingdom is not racist.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 15, 2024 5:11:03 GMT
Scotland is treated like royalty in the UK, given greater funding than any other part of our country, given devolution that isn't needed, there's fewer Scots in Scotland than Londoners in London for goodness sake.
Get over yourself and stop bitching about English people all the time fellow Brit.
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Post by morayloon on Jul 15, 2024 20:54:37 GMT
Oliver Brown explains this in an article published today, Nothing tells you England are in a major final quite like an icy blast of Caledonian ill will. When Gareth Southgate’s players reached their last, at Wembley in 2021, swarms of Scottish fans in Glasgow swapped their dark-blue tops for the Savoy azure of Italy’s. This time, it has fallen to The National, Scotland’s pro-independence newspaper, to pick up the baton. “Time for revenge!” screamed its front page on Saturday, declaring that it was backing Spain with a depiction of Rodri kicking an England fan’s beer belly.
The attached text, urging the Spanish to go for the jugular in Berlin as “revenge” against ghastly English tourists, was exquisitely devoid of self-awareness. “They fill up your beaches!” The No 1 holiday destination for Scots last year? The Canary Islands. “They drink all your beer!” Quite the claim, after the Tartan Army mainlined so much Pilsner in Munich last month that beer hall owners dubbed their visit “Scotoberfest”. “They eat fried breakfasts all day!” Surely the only possible response is to invoke Alan Partridge: “It’s cholesterol. Scottish people eat it.”
This “anyone but England” notion might seem extreme, but it has drawn some high-profile adherents. None more so than Andy Murray, who, when asked who he would be supporting during the 2006 World Cup in Germany, replied: “Whoever England are playing against.” He was only 19 at the time, and the remark drew such vitriol that he instantly regretted it. But The National’s version of sledgehammer wit indicates that the teenage Murray’s sentiment still has traction north of the border. There is a reason why Pat Nevin features in an advertising campaign this weekend masquerading as an honorary Spaniard, on the grounds that he loves patatas bravas and owns an Eldorado boxset.
The National's front page was not very subtle
Such badinage is part of any tournament tapestry. And yet the lighter teasing still mingles with some outright mean-mindedness. As an illustration, it is worth watching a video that has drawn fresh attention since Ollie Watkins’ 90th-minute goal against the Netherlands to send England to the final. In the footage, recorded in the build-up to this European Championship, the Aston Villa striker says, with club captain John McGinn sitting alongside him: “I want Ginny to win if we’re not playing against them.” “Do you?” replies the proud Scot, incredulously. “Yeah,” the striker says, keeping it collegiate. “If you’re playing, I don’t want you to lose.” “Oh,” McGinn shrugs. “I’d want you to get beat if you were playing for England.”
Watkins looks heartbroken, as if this way of thinking has never occurred to him. McGinn proceeds to justify it by pointing to the historic English sin that nobody in Scotland can forget, still less forgive. “Mate, you need to watch the telly. Channel three, mate. It’s all English pundits, all English commentators saying ‘us’. It’s like, ‘We’re paying our TV license here’. You know what I mean?” Absolutely, John. Apart from the fact that “channel three” had Ally McCoist as a co-commentator for England’s semi-final last week, and then crossed to the studio for the views of the Republic of Ireland’s Roy Keane, the logic is impeccable.
In his myopic take, McGinn expresses a form of nationalism that is at least a quarter of a century out of date. It is the same with that risible front page, which resorts to the crude stereotyping that might have been de rigueur in the mid-Nineties, but looks painfully tone-deaf now. The English jingoism was hideous ahead of the match with Germany at Euro ’96, as rival tabloids outdid each other with “Achtung Surrender” and “Page Frau” banners, with one narrowly abandoning a plan to send a Spitfire over the opposition’s training ground and drop copies on Jurgen Klinsmann’s head. By the same token, to see a Scottish newspaper choose a stock image of “tattooed fat bloke in a bucket hat” as its reason for hating England is to wonder whether the last 28 years ever happened.
The feeling is not mutual
If The National hoped to intensify the Anglophobia on this auspicious weekend, the move has backfired. “I really don’t like this at all,” wrote Joanna Cherry, recently-unseated MP for the Scottish National Party. “You have got this all wrong,” said Stuart McMillan, the SNP’s member for Inverclyde. The novelist Christopher Brookmyre, a long-time contributor to the newspaper, vowed never to work for it again. It is a sure sign that in football in 2024, xenophobic provocation – of the kind that Fleet Street, admittedly, once loved with “zey don’t like it up zem” – headlines, has had its day.
Those tempted to defend the “anyone but England” school of thought could point out that fandom can, by its very nature, be petty, irrational, often deeply childish. But perhaps its defining perversity is that the feeling is not mutual. There is seldom, if ever, an “anyone but Scotland” undercurrent detectable in an English sporting audience. Take Wimbledon, for example: a more quintessentially English ambience, where sport meets a summer garden party, you would struggle to find. And yet just one week ago, the place stood as one to salute a Scot.
Nobody in the crowd held it against the departing Murray that he had once impugned the Three Lions, or that he had once turned up at the All England Club wearing Saltire sweatbands. They simply rose to acclaim a great champion. Why, then, should there still be such spite in reverse? Sunday’s final is, surely, an occasion to recognise that times have changed – and that an “anyone but England” mentality hurts nobody but Scotland.
Still believing in the anti-Scottish shit spewed out by the Telegraph?
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Post by morayloon on Jul 15, 2024 20:55:23 GMT
What is racist about supporting Spain? The fact that you're doing it out of hate for the English. Prove it!!!
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Post by Vinny on Jul 16, 2024 9:17:55 GMT
You yourself posted a demented racist picture of a Spanish player kicking an photoshopped bloated ball shaped England fan. Are you that delusional and unaware of how your racism comes across? I know plenty of Scots, but you are a racist. Your anyone but England position is born of racism. Your separatist views are born of racism.
You are a xenophobe.
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Post by morayloon on Jul 19, 2024 5:02:07 GMT
You yourself posted a demented racist picture of a Spanish player kicking an photoshopped bloated ball shaped England fan. Are you that delusional and unaware of how your racism comes across? I know plenty of Scots, but you are a racist. Your anyone but England position is born of racism. Your separatist views are born of racism. You are a xenophobe. Your inability to get to grips with the situation is laughable, dare I say hilarious
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Post by Vinny on Jul 19, 2024 6:38:07 GMT
The situation is that you consider fellow British nationals as foreigners, racist.
The situation is that you hate and despise the English.
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Post by Hutchyns on Jul 19, 2024 16:38:55 GMT
If people are able to convince themselves to think in British or UK terms when it comes to Murray, good for them if it provides some sort of contentment. But you just have to look at yesterday's news or today's front page newspaper picture ..... and this new £5 million grant from the LTA to help build the Murray tennis centre is never described as a boost for British Tennis, it's exclusively referred to as Scottish tennis and that's how Scots will see it, and that's how they'll view any wee Scottie prodigies who emerge from the place swinging a racket. LTA Chief Exec says: “We’re proud to be supporting this project which will deliver both a tennis centre of national significance for Scotland, but also an important community facility for the people of Scotland.“As Andy reaches the final stages of his playing career there are many ways in which British tennis will recognise his achievements and that of his family, but we believe this project will deliver a landmark facility for Dunblane and Scotland that will benefit, as part of Andy’s legacy, generations to come.”I’m delighted that the LTA has committed £5m of funding and support to the centre at Dunblane. This is a huge investment in Scottish tennis and community sport".Judy Murray says: “I’m delighted that the LTA has committed £5m of funding and support to the centre at Dunblane. This investment is part of the LTA’s ongoing commitment to investing in Scottish tennis and follows the opening of new indoor tennis centres in Oriam and Moray. I’ve been working closely with Scott Lloyd and the LTA over several years to bring the plans to fruition and we will continue to work in partnership to deliver a legacy for Scotland.
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Post by morayloon on Jul 19, 2024 17:04:50 GMT
You yourself posted a demented racist picture of a Spanish player kicking an photoshopped bloated ball shaped England fan. Are you that delusional and unaware of how your racism comes across? I know plenty of Scots, but you are a racist. Your anyone but England position is born of racism. Your separatist views are born of racism. You are a xenophobe. Utter bullshit. But what's new?
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Post by morayloon on Jul 19, 2024 19:03:36 GMT
The situation is that you consider fellow British nationals as foreigners, racist. The situation is that you hate and despise the English. Why is it racist to consider English people foreigners? Grow up!
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