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Post by Bentley on Jul 4, 2024 15:56:58 GMT
Murray is a professional tennis player that happens to be a Scot . He doesn’t represent team Uk imo. He represented Team GB at the 2012 Olympics. So what ?
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Post by Vinny on Jul 4, 2024 16:09:14 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Jul 4, 2024 16:12:36 GMT
Of course he regrets it . He potentially lost a far larger fan base than Scotland which would lose him sponsorships . Money talks too.
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Post by morayloon on Jul 5, 2024 13:49:04 GMT
Don't think he ever changed his mind. Supported Independence IIRC So, despite all of your sham protestations and denials, you do recognise that there is a link between anti-English attitudes and support for independence after all. You'll have to explain your intervention. Once again your efforts make no sense. Why should a Scot have to support England?
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Post by morayloon on Jul 5, 2024 13:52:10 GMT
Andy Murray was still just a boy with a man’s arse when he said what he said back then. Although things are nowhere near as bad now, back when AM was growing up, and even more so when I was growing up in the ‘60s and ‘70s, there was a lot to get riled about in terms of the heavily Anglo-centric language and output of the London based UK broadcast media, most notably its sports coverage. It might seem trivial to the English members amongst us who were not on the receiving end of this behaviour, but I believe that having an onslaught of broadcasts beamed and transmitted into our homes that treated the whole country as England and England as if it were the whole country, with any mention of Scotland or Scottish interests, if they were even mentioned at all, coming as an afterthought and with a clear switch of presenter attitude and of language from 1st person plural to 3rd person plural, was a key reason why seeds of anti-English resentment took root amongst so many of my fellow young Scots at that time, long before any of us developed overtly political opinions. While most Scots were and are understandably a bit prickly whenever we encounter examples of such behaviour, those amongst us who were able to recognise, however irksome it might be, that this stuff is ultimately unimportant in the grand scheme of things, learned to shrug this off in adulthood (as AM has obviously been able to do). However, for others, sadly, those seeds that I describe above were too often the start of something that grew and morphed into full-blooded anti-English resentment, dominated their political leanings, and provided willing new recruits to the separatist movement. If that all seems a bit far-fetched then consider this i.e. the shabby coverage of Scottish interest and Scotland’s competitors in the Commonwealth Games in 1978 by the English based UK media that was beamed into homes across Scotland apparently incensed our current First Minister so much at the time that it motivated him to go out and join the SNP when he was just a 15 year old kid. Started so well is all I can say about that outburst. The rest, pure rubbish as always
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Post by morayloon on Jul 5, 2024 14:02:37 GMT
Of course he regrets it . He potentially lost a far larger fan base than Scotland which would lose him sponsorships . Money talks too. Why would Murray have lost any sponsorships? As that article said, because of Murray's talent, companies would have been falling over themselves to get his endorsement of their product. The world does not revolve around England you know!!!
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Post by happyjack on Jul 5, 2024 14:23:45 GMT
So, despite all of your sham protestations and denials, you do recognise that there is a link between anti-English attitudes and support for independence after all. You'll have to explain your intervention. Once again your efforts make no sense. Why should a Scot have to support England? There is no explanation required.
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Post by morayloon on Jul 5, 2024 14:26:36 GMT
You'll have to explain your intervention. Once again your efforts make no sense. Why should a Scot have to support England? There is no explanation required. Typical!!!
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Post by Vinny on Jul 5, 2024 14:29:58 GMT
You'll have to explain your intervention. Once again your efforts make no sense. Why should a Brit have to support fellow Brits? Corrected it for you, to delete xenophobia.
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Post by happyjack on Jul 5, 2024 14:33:00 GMT
There is no explanation required because your question is spurious and because, in any case, it has already been answered in another recent thread. The relevant point is not why a Scot should support England but what supporting everyone and anyone England plays against tells us about that particular Scot.
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Post by happyjack on Jul 5, 2024 14:40:36 GMT
Andy Murray was still just a boy with a man’s arse when he said what he said back then. Although things are nowhere near as bad now, back when AM was growing up, and even more so when I was growing up in the ‘60s and ‘70s, there was a lot to get riled about in terms of the heavily Anglo-centric language and output of the London based UK broadcast media, most notably its sports coverage. It might seem trivial to the English members amongst us who were not on the receiving end of this behaviour, but I believe that having an onslaught of broadcasts beamed and transmitted into our homes that treated the whole country as England and England as if it were the whole country, with any mention of Scotland or Scottish interests, if they were even mentioned at all, coming as an afterthought and with a clear switch of presenter attitude and of language from 1st person plural to 3rd person plural, was a key reason why seeds of anti-English resentment took root amongst so many of my fellow young Scots at that time, long before any of us developed overtly political opinions. While most Scots were and are understandably a bit prickly whenever we encounter examples of such behaviour, those amongst us who were able to recognise, however irksome it might be, that this stuff is ultimately unimportant in the grand scheme of things, learned to shrug this off in adulthood (as AM has obviously been able to do). However, for others, sadly, those seeds that I describe above were too often the start of something that grew and morphed into full-blooded anti-English resentment, dominated their political leanings, and provided willing new recruits to the separatist movement. If that all seems a bit far-fetched then consider this i.e. the shabby coverage of Scottish interest and Scotland’s competitors in the Commonwealth Games in 1978 by the English based UK media that was beamed into homes across Scotland apparently incensed our current First Minister so much at the time that it motivated him to go out and join the SNP when he was just a 15 year old kid. Started so well is all I can say about that outburst. The rest, pure rubbish as always It is a pretty sound explanation of the flimsy basis upon which most Indy types’ political attitudes are founded; that and a shocking lack of awareness of Scotland’s actual constitutional position, of course.
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Post by Bentley on Jul 5, 2024 16:01:38 GMT
Of course he regrets it . He potentially lost a far larger fan base than Scotland which would lose him sponsorships . Money talks too. Why would Murray have lost any sponsorships? As that article said, because of Murray's talent, companies would have been falling over themselves to get his endorsement of their product. The world does not revolve around England you know!!! Hi insulting the English he might lose English fans and lose some fan base . The idea that the world revolves around England is an idea that hatched in between your ears , nowhere else . The fact that he said it and then backpedaled suggests that either he or his advisers understand my joint more than you .
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Post by morayloon on Jul 13, 2024 20:18:54 GMT
There is no explanation required because your question is spurious and because, in any case, it has already been answered in another recent thread. The relevant point is not why a Scot should support England but what supporting everyone and anyone England plays against tells us about that particular Scot. Says the non-Scot masquerading as a Scot who is ready to be persuaded on Independence, But, his every utterance on the subject of Independence shows him up for what he is - an ultra unionist. You can back your own country (England) if you want, I'll stick to ABE. Come on Spain.
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Post by morayloon on Jul 13, 2024 20:26:13 GMT
Started so well is all I can say about that outburst. The rest, pure rubbish as always It is a pretty sound explanation of the flimsy basis upon which most Indy types’ political attitudes are founded; that and a shocking lack of awareness of Scotland’s actual constitutional position, of course. Utter garbage. Your every utterance on the matter shows a complete lack of understanding of the 'political attitudes' of 'most Indy types'. Us 'Indy types' know full well the constitutional arrangement in the UK. That is why we aim to change it. Hence the existence of the SNP and other Independence supporting parties and organisations.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 14, 2024 9:43:30 GMT
We're still in and we're playing in the final, you've jinxed everyone you've backed little SNAT racist. We're your fellow Brits. Whatever happens now, Gareth Southgate and the England squad deserve respect for getting this far. If we win, which is more likely to happen if you back Spain, you'll never hear the end of it because we'll mock you for your racism.
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