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Post by Bentley on Jul 5, 2024 16:28:16 GMT
The answer to the OP is yes.
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Post by morayloon on Jul 7, 2024 21:56:39 GMT
My son is a lukewarm Independence supporter but has no time for the SNP, nor do many of his work colleagues, he is a Conservative voter, (or rather was) simply because he cannot see the SNP or Alaba being a credible government. Independence may gain momentum if a decent Party was formed to pursue it in a proper manner instead of the sectarian rabble in the SNP. Having said that there is still SNP in the central belt, so they will retain some seats. I read the Press and Journal, the Scotsman and the Herald. I read the P&J, and can testify to its anti Nationalist editorial slant. The other two are Unionist stooges. Although the Sunday Herald came out for YES, the daily Herald remained steadfastly NO. The Scotsman is very much an Establishment rag. In short, your choice of reading is no better than the English papers I cited A Tory who supports Independence? Must be JD  |
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Post by morayloon on Jul 7, 2024 21:58:25 GMT
The answer to the OP is yes. You waited long enough to come up with that. Waiting for the result then commenting? Wasn't expecting that |
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Post by morayloon on Jul 7, 2024 22:00:05 GMT
And you know this how? When was the last time you set foot in Scotland? I reckon you should give up on the Mail/Express/Sun/Telegraph Said the man who would have taken Scotland out of the EU and the UK, who is always bitching about the UK leaving the EU and pouring hate on the English all the time. You need to rethink your position and stop hating your fellow countrymen. Give examples of my supposed hate for the English |
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Post by morayloon on Jul 7, 2024 22:06:39 GMT
The SNP will probably get a thumping and to be fair after Sturgeon and Yousaf, they deserve a thumping. Sturgeon did nothing but force an anti English agenda, and Yousaf was an out and out racist. I didn't particularly like Salmond, but Sturgeon and Yousaf make Salmond look positively presidential. I never liked Sturgeon, but when did this "anti English agenda" occur. Yousaf is no racist. Pointing out the bleeding obvious is telling the truth. How many non white people are there in the Scottish board rooms? He was referring to the fact that he was the first, only(?), person of colour to attain a top post. |
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Post by morayloon on Jul 7, 2024 22:16:51 GMT
The SNP have been well and truly thumped and I expect they will still be calling for a IndyRef2 with their 9 seat minority. They are finished. I doubt it. But, even if the Party did collapse, another would take its place. It would receive the backing of the many disenfranchised YESers. Those who would still be out there waiting for someone, something, to fill the gap. It is obvious that Alba is not the alternative option. The Greens, although saying they are pro-Independence, their actions put this in doubt, e.g. Lorna Slater I doubt that the SNP is finished. Labour in Scotland, the Tories in Scotland, the LIb Dems in Scotland did not cease to exist after they were reduced to one seat apiece in 2015. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 7, 2024 22:28:16 GMT
The answer to the OP is yes. You waited long enough to come up with that. Waiting for the result then commenting? Wasn't expecting that It was only until the result that we knew what the result was. That’s reality for you . You will be getting lots of that in the future . It might smart a bit. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 8, 2024 7:11:27 GMT
Said the man who would have taken Scotland out of the EU and the UK, who is always bitching about the UK leaving the EU and pouring hate on the English all the time. You need to rethink your position and stop hating your fellow countrymen. Give examples of my supposed hate for the English Supporting anyone but England. Blaming the English for Brexit. Disrespecting English taxpayers and the great contribution they provide Scotland via the Barnett formula. You are a racist. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2024 18:38:17 GMT
The SNP have been well and truly thumped and I expect they will still be calling for a IndyRef2 with their 9 seat minority. They are finished. I doubt it. But, even if the Party did collapse, another would take its place. It would receive the backing of the many disenfranchised YESers. Those who would still be out there waiting for someone, something, to fill the gap. It is obvious that Alba is not the alternative option. The Greens, although saying they are pro-Independence, their actions put this in doubt, e.g. Lorna Slater I doubt that the SNP is finished. Labour in Scotland, the Tories in Scotland, the LIb Dems in Scotland did not cease to exist after they were reduced to one seat apiece in 2015. True. But the SNP never had a voter base in the rest of the UK. Labour, Tories and LibDems did. I still think the SNP are a busted flush. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 9, 2024 13:28:51 GMT
I doubt it. But, even if the Party did collapse, another would take its place. It would receive the backing of the many disenfranchised YESers. Those who would still be out there waiting for someone, something, to fill the gap. It is obvious that Alba is not the alternative option. The Greens, although saying they are pro-Independence, their actions put this in doubt, e.g. Lorna Slater I doubt that the SNP is finished. Labour in Scotland, the Tories in Scotland, the LIb Dems in Scotland did not cease to exist after they were reduced to one seat apiece in 2015. True. But the SNP never had a voter base in the rest of the UK. Labour, Tories and LibDems did. I still think the SNP are a busted flush.Definitely. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 13:47:12 GMT
As Barry will be aware , ive been reading since the days of Steves old forum back in 2008 that the snp are a busted flush/the honeymoon is over/the party is finished. Independence support has never been higher in scotland in my lifetime than now. The vehicle might be temporary broken , that doesn't mean the dream is over.
Every election till the day it happens , you will be fighting Scottish independence. The pendulum swings both ways. We only have to win once though.........
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Post by om15 on Jul 9, 2024 20:59:02 GMT
Fuck off, what about that everyone is WHITE speech, if that isn't racism I'm a banana.
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Post by morayloon on Jul 13, 2024 13:56:47 GMT
You waited long enough to come up with that. Waiting for the result then commenting? Wasn't expecting that It was only until the result that we knew what the result was. That’s reality for you . You will be getting lots of that in the future . It might smart a bit. The result was suggested by the Exit Poll, at 10pm on the 4th. The SNP eventually won 9 seats whereas the Poll suggested 10. You posted at 5.28pm, at least 12 hours after the outcome was known! |
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Post by morayloon on Jul 13, 2024 14:08:37 GMT
Give examples of my supposed hate for the English Supporting anyone but England. Blaming the English for Brexit. Disrespecting English taxpayers and the great contribution they provide Scotland via the Barnett formula. You are a racist. ABE all the way. Come on Spain Scotland voted 62% Remain, yet we were still dragged out as a result of the English vote English taxpayers give nothing to Scotland. The pittance received is a mere fraction of what we send to the Treasury. Not at all. I am a realist. ![]()  |
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Post by morayloon on Jul 13, 2024 14:19:00 GMT
I doubt it. But, even if the Party did collapse, another would take its place. It would receive the backing of the many disenfranchised YESers. Those who would still be out there waiting for someone, something, to fill the gap. It is obvious that Alba is not the alternative option. The Greens, although saying they are pro-Independence, their actions put this in doubt, e.g. Lorna Slater I doubt that the SNP is finished. Labour in Scotland, the Tories in Scotland, the LIb Dems in Scotland did not cease to exist after they were reduced to one seat apiece in 2015. True. But the SNP never had a voter base in the rest of the UK. Labour, Tories and LibDems did. I still think the SNP are a busted flush. Part of the reason that the SNP fared so badly is that many supporters did not vote. They did not vote because of the failure to do anything towards advancing the cause of Independence. Around 50% still back Independence, so there is a large group of people who previously voted SNP. A group which could be lured back to the fold, if the Party plays its cards right and gets back to actually pushing for Independence. What has the fact that the SNP has no voter base in rUK got to do with anything? The SNP does not want to govern the UK. It used to want to govern an Independent Scotland |
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