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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 28, 2024 19:31:26 GMT
Some of you may know of Roger Gewolb, 'doctor' Roger Gewolb actually. He is invariably described as a financial expert and financial entrepreneur and, in my opinion, he does usually talk a lot of common sense. So lefties may not have heard of him, anyhoo...
Several days ago Dr Gewolb said the only chance the Tories have in this election is to merge with Reform UK and make Farage the Tory party leader and in all likelihood, the new prime minister. He has just repeated this on GB News, and tbh I think Sunak should listen. I don't think he will, but he should. I agree with Dr Gewolb, I think Reform UK merging with the Tories would be hugely popular among traditional centre right Tories who are disillusioned and currently planning on voting for Reform UK.
It may not work, but it just might. And right now Tory fortunes are looking pretty grim. Sunak should take one for the team and merge with Reform UK.
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Post by Hutchyns on Jun 28, 2024 23:07:21 GMT
It might have been a lifeline, but it's a total non-starter at this late stage with only a matter of days to go. I would agree that you could merge a decent proportion of Tory voters with those intending on voting reform, but it wouldn't be at all to the liking to those whose consent would be needed to make it happen.
Firstly the thought would be repellent to 19 out of every 20 Tory MP's. They're Social Democratic Blairites ...... a merger with the Liberals ? ..... a merger with Starmers Labour ? ... yes, they could just about swallow that in order to save their seats ..... but Farage and anything genuinely Right Wing is anathema to them ... rather like holding a cross up into the gaze of Dracula.
Secondly the whole reason Rishi brought the election forward from November to early July, and whisked himself off to the Palace and got Parliament dissolved and refused to speak to any of his MPs first, is precisely because he doesn't want to be Prime Minister, he wants to get out now and probably get himself and his family over to the United States. A scheme that finds him back on the front steps of Downing Street on July 5th, doing anything other than helping load a removals van, is the last thing he needs. I doubt he wants the Tories to get absolutely trounced, maybe he knows enough about what Sleepy Joe has planned, or how Israel's upcoming attack on Lebanon is likely to develop globally, that he's decided he wants to be well off the political scene in advance.
Irrespective of whether he holds his Yorkshire seat or not, I don't doubt that Rishi has already organised his lifeboat that will enable him to sail away from the mostly Tory free political environment of Great Britain ..... the prospect of a lifeline that would drop him off back into Downing Street would horrify him ..... he's this far into implementing his escape plan ...... he's not letting anyone, least of all Farage and Reform scupper it now.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 28, 2024 23:47:11 GMT
It might have been a lifeline, but it's a total non-starter at this late stage with only a matter of days to go. I would agree that you could merge a decent proportion of Tory voters with those intending on voting reform, but it wouldn't be at all to the liking to those whose consent would be needed to make it happen. Firstly the thought would be repellent to 19 out of every 20 Tory MP's. They're Social Democratic Blairites ...... a merger with the Liberals ? ..... a merger with Starmers Labour ? ... yes, they could just about swallow that in order to save their seats ..... but Farage and anything genuinely Right Wing is anathema to them ... rather like holding a cross up into the gaze of Dracula. Secondly the whole reason Rishi brought the election forward from November to early July, and whisked himself off to the Palace and got Parliament dissolved and refused to speak to any of his MPs first, is precisely because he doesn't want to be Prime Minister, he wants to get out now and probably get himself and his family over to the United States. A scheme that finds him back on the front steps of Downing Street on July 5th, doing anything other than helping load a removals van, is the last thing he needs. I doubt he wants the Tories to get absolutely trounced, maybe he knows enough about what Sleepy Joe has planned, or how Israel's upcoming attack on Lebanon is likely to develop globally, that he's decided he wants to be well off the political scene in advance. Irrespective of whether he holds his Yorkshire seat or not, I don't doubt that Rishi has already organised his lifeboat that will enable him to sail away from the mostly Tory free political environment of Great Britain ..... the prospect of a lifeline that would drop him off back into Downing Street would horrify him ..... he's this far into implementing his escape plan ...... he's not letting anyone, least of all Farage and Reform scupper it now. That's what's wrong with the modern Tory party, they're not 'Tories'. You are quite right most Tory MP's have more in common with Labour, in some cases and I shudder to say it, even with the LibDems. Politics has become very centrist, which may be what centrist politicians want, but it's not what the electorate want and with someone like Farage fronting Reform UK, centrists on both sides of the house know they will have a fight on their hands, they know Farage is a very competent operator who has a lot of support. The possible reasons for Sunak announcing the election are largely irrelevant, if he held on until November or December the illegal immigrant fiasco over the summer would only get worse, a few months was never going to make a fat lot of difference. The Tories biggest mistake was getting rid of Boris, and I'm not a Boris fan, but it's a mistake I'm sure they have regretted for some time. The situation in Israel is far more precarious for Starmer than for Sunak. The reason Labour are not announcing the whereabouts of their battle bus until the last minute is because they're very concerned about pro Hamas/Palestine protests overshadowing their election campaign. Who'd have thought it, Labour frightened of protesting lefties and Muslims. Nothing will make Farage more popular or encourage people to vote for a proper centre right government more than five years of a Starmer Labour government. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 29, 2024 5:57:37 GMT
The Conservative party is too split to do anything constructive in its current state. There are some who like Farage but many more who hate him.
What I thought should happen - a few months ago - is that Reform should NOT stand in 600 seats. That's crazy. They should have prioritised seats where they have a realistic chance of not losing their deposit, which is not many. And they should have made a pact with the Tories to not stand candidates in seats where there is a Tory candidate who has compatible policies. THere are many Tory candidates who could happily stand for the Reform party.
That would effectively ally Reform and a part of the Conservative party and maximise the chance for candidates on the Right to win. It seems total common sense to me but it's obviously too late now. I think Tice was too caught up with his idea of punishing the Tories.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 29, 2024 6:50:04 GMT
The Conservative party is too split to do anything constructive in its current state. There are some who like Farage but many more who hate him. What I thought should happen - a few months ago - is that Reform should NOT stand in 600 seats. That's crazy. They should have prioritised seats where they have a realistic chance of not losing their deposit, which is not many. And they should have made a pact with the Tories to not stand candidates in seats where there is a Tory candidate who has compatible policies. THere are many Tory candidates who could happily stand for the Reform party. That would effectively ally Reform and a part of the Conservative party and maximise the chance for candidates on the Right to win. It seems total common sense to me but it's obviously too late now. I think Tice was too caught up with his idea of punishing the Tories. Farage did that last time - I don't think it ended up particularly productive. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 29, 2024 11:43:08 GMT
Reform should have nothing to do with the Tories. All those in government have failed. We must let the lions have them for dinner. Reform is not Reform if it is the old system. That's just ridiculous and false advertising. For Reform to actually reform, it need a totally new team who have fresh ideas and good talent. Running candidates in all seats is a good. It's like an internal party competition. You have 600 candidates and those who win seats can move up the party to teach the others how to do it. What I'm saying is you can't beat fair competition. They need to improve their manifesto though. It's too weighted to what they don't like. Sweep away all you don't like and you end up with nothing. The manifesto needs to provide a detailed plan on what we put in place of the things we got rid of.
By the way, I just checked. Reform have nothing about foreign industrial and trade policy. This illustrates the superficiality of their party and its reforms. I mean where does it stand on BRICS? BRICS accounts for about half the global population.
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