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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 24, 2024 7:34:58 GMT
“To Marine Le Pen and many of her supporters the Muslim faith is an existential threat to the French identity. Banning headscarves in public spaces, halting the construction of new mosques, and prohibiting the ritual slaughter of animals are all policies floated by her National Rally in recent years.
Yet, whether her party succeeds in parliamentary elections on June 30 or not, an “atmosphere of Islamophobia” is already pushing educated Muslims out of the country and towards places including the UK and Canada, according to a controversial new book. Olivier Esteves, one of its co-authors, said he feared that a win for the National Rally in France’s snap elections would only drive up the number of departures. “People who oppose immigration often say ‘It feels like we’re no longer at home’,” said Esteves, a professor at the University of Lille. “But there are more and more French Muslims who no longer feel at home in France.”
France has the largest Muslim community in Europe, an estimated 7 to 10 per cent of the country’s 67 million inhabitants. More than seven in ten of those who have left the country, in a survey conducted by Esteves’s team, reported departing in part because of racism and discrimination.
… Esteves has not been able to put an exact figure on the number of Muslims who have left the country but estimates it is in the “tens of thousands”.
And where do they prefer to go? Three guesses…
“Aminata Sylla, who grew up in Brie-Comte-Robert, a predominantly white town just outside the capital, said she could not wait to leave — either for Britain or, preferably, Oman. “It’s been a build-up of all the negative experiences I’ve had,” explained Sylla, 25. “When it’s not that I’m black, it’s that I’m Muslim, then it’s that I wear a headscarf. I feel like I can’t breathe sometimes.”
“Mehdi, a 39-year-old from Lyon who now works as a French teacher in Preston, described leaving his home three years ago as “a heartbreak”. Mehdi has always prayed five times a day, but in France had to find ways to do it “discreetly”. “When I arrived in the UK, it was a total liberation,” he said.
“Alia, 42, a senior human resources executive in a global tech company, had been in Britain for about five years when she decided to start wearing a hijab. “I thought I’d give my boss a heads up,” she recalled. “They just laughed and said: ‘Why do you have to tell me?’”
“Sometimes you think that only the Channel separates France and the UK but in fact it’s a whole different world,” said Alia. |
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Post by Hutchyns on Jun 24, 2024 10:19:54 GMT
“Mehdi, a 39-year-old from Lyon who now works as a French teacher in Preston, described leaving his home three years ago as “a heartbreak”. Mehdi has always prayed five times a day, but in France had to find ways to do it “discreetly”. “When I arrived in the UK, it was a total liberation,” he said.
“Alia, 42, a senior human resources executive in a global tech company, had been in Britain for about five years when she decided to start wearing a hijab. “I thought I’d give my boss a heads up,” she recalled. “They just laughed and said: ‘Why do you have to tell me?’”
“Sometimes you think that only the Channel separates France and the UK but in fact it’s a whole different world,” said Alia.
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Lovely to start the week with a good news story, and one that makes me feel proud to be British. May it make us even more determined to ensure we proudly remain a 'different world' from anywhere that prevents people from praying how they like, to who they like, without being frightened into needing to do it 'discreetly'.
If you want to wear a hijab, a mini skirt, dye your hair pink or have a ring through your nose .... you don't have to ask your Boss, or the State for permission first. Let's cherish such freedoms all the more, particularly when we learn that they've already been snuffed out or under threat from authoritarians not a million miles from us.
British values are better values. It's examples such as this that remind me why I voted for Brexit, and if the French are becoming even more dictatorial towards their citizens rather than less, any plans that Sir Slippery has to get us back into bed with the Frogs must be fiercely resisted.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 24, 2024 10:38:59 GMT
Fair warms the old cockles don't it.
"Send us your unwanted flotsam and jetsam, storm-tossed and abandoned,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door (to the benefits office)!"
With apologies to Emma Lazarus.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 24, 2024 13:44:17 GMT
We've heard from the MultiKultist faction which enthusiastically endorses the warm welcome that French Muslim refugees are evidently experiencing in Britain, but could resident Faragisti enlighten us as to how Nige plans to deal with this phenomenon when he gets into Parliament? Does this provide a clue?  |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 24, 2024 19:28:46 GMT
Another one of those heartwarming stories, fluent in English as well no doubt.
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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 27, 2024 6:36:11 GMT
The French have a far more sensible attitude to Islam than we have. They're a bit further along the line of Islamisation than we are and they've woken up to the dangers that it poses. Freedom to practise any religion is a nice ideal unless that "religion" was invented in 700AD and never reformed. If that religion also comes with toxic political ideologies (islamism) and draconian laws (sharia) - and also intolerant views towards other religions - the you have a recipe for disaster.
Basically if a tolerant country opens its borders to those who are seriously intolerant towards those of other cultures and beliefs then tolerance is the first casualty. What we have is a culture clash and it's time to ditch the passive tolerance for these people. We need to make life as difficult as possible for those of the muslim faith in the hope that they will leave. No halal meat, shut down mosques that preach hatred, no planning permission for more mosques, no amplified "call to prayer", no sharia courts, no islamic marriages etc etc. That should do it. Take a leaf out of the French and Italian books, as it were.
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 1, 2024 6:33:34 GMT
“Mehdi, a 39-year-old from Lyon who now works as a French teacher in Preston, described leaving his home three years ago as “a heartbreak”. Mehdi has always prayed five times a day, but in France had to find ways to do it “discreetly”. “When I arrived in the UK, it was a total liberation,” he said.
“Alia, 42, a senior human resources executive in a global tech company, had been in Britain for about five years when she decided to start wearing a hijab. “I thought I’d give my boss a heads up,” she recalled. “They just laughed and said: ‘Why do you have to tell me?’” “Sometimes you think that only the Channel separates France and the UK but in fact it’s a whole different world,” said Alia.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Lovely to start the week with a good news story, and one that makes me feel proud to be British. May it make us even more determined to ensure we proudly remain a 'different world' from anywhere that prevents people from praying how they like, to who they like, without being frightened into needing to do it 'discreetly'. If you want to wear a hijab, a mini skirt, dye your hair pink or have a ring through your nose .... you don't have to ask your Boss, or the State for permission first. Let's cherish such freedoms all the more, particularly when we learn that they've already been snuffed out or under threat from authoritarians not a million miles from us. British values are better values. It's examples such as this that remind me why I voted for Brexit, and if the French are becoming even more dictatorial towards their citizens rather than less, any plans that Sir Slippery has to get us back into bed with the Frogs must be fiercely resisted. What is it about the muslims that you like so much Hutchyns? Is it their attitude towards homosexuals and women or is it their attitude to people of other faiths - or even different sects of their own religion". Or is it just their general intolerance of the Western culture. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 1, 2024 9:22:07 GMT
I suspect in his case it's more a matter of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' than a deep-seated Islamophilia.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 1, 2024 9:33:59 GMT
As an aside, better be giving the red carpet a hoovering.
After Sunday's elections the RN leads in 259 of the 517 constituencies, including an almost complete clean-sweep along the Mediterranean littoral, home to a majority of France's Muslims of Maghrebi origin.
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Post by Hutchyns on Jul 1, 2024 21:17:37 GMT
steppenwolf I've never given thought to deciding on a favourite 3 or 4 reasons. I'll get round to it sometime and will let you know if any of them match yours.  |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 2, 2024 6:16:56 GMT
steppenwolf I've never given thought to deciding on a favourite 3 or 4 reasons. I'll get round to it sometime and will let you know if any of them match yours.  It's funny how people who seem to support the practice of Islam always run for cover when you point out a few of the nasty - and plainly illegal - beliefs that it preaches. Yet any political party that had these views would be vilified and shut down pretty quickly. I've never understood why religions are treated differently from other ideologies. |
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Post by Hutchyns on Jul 2, 2024 9:39:16 GMT
Illegal beliefs, thought crimes, speech crimes (illegal clothes, illegal religious buildings - see France) appears to be the direction of travel, and possibly due to get turbo charged in the months and years after July 4th when the 'extremist' tag could be used to close down speech.
During our lifetime, living in Britain we've taken it for granted that Political Parties get vilified and shut down via the ballot box. An effective method of giving a clear signal that opinions and ideas promulgated are not finding favour, and there's little point in attempting to keep pushing them. For instance on Thursday we may well see that the practice of wearing a Conservative rosette for four weeks and then behaving as a Blairite for the following 4 years, has annoyed people sufficiently that they've vilified the Party during the election campaign and will go about shutting them down as a political force in the next parliament by shunning them at the ballot box.
Again, basing things solely on our British or UK experience, for example, a good many of recall the Rev Ian Paisley vilifying the Pope and the Catholic religion, we saw the extremely nasty repercussions of a lack of respect for other peoples religions in a Society and we've had the good sense to tread carefully and mostly keep our noses out of other peoples religious thoughts and beliefs.
Of course we might be about to witness the French going at things like a bull at a gate ..... charging in headlong and banning this, that, and the other. It's probably pointless telling the snail munchers it'll only make things worse rather than better ....... let them learn from their mistakes .... France might be about to go va-va-voom, so stand well clear.
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 3, 2024 6:27:07 GMT
The point is that if you start a political party that has illegal views/policies it gets proscribed and shut down. And you can get jailed for being a member - you don't have to have done anything. National Action is an example.
But you can follow a religion that has illegal beliefs and nobody seems to be bothered about it. In fact many people bend over backwards to excuse your beliefs - in some cases creating exemptions from the law for these religions. Islam is such a religion. Yet you think it should be accepted in the UK.
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