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Post by buccaneer on Jun 21, 2024 8:41:33 GMT
George Galloway - His party political broadcast began with what he obviously thinks is the most important issue of our time in this country - namely Gaza. He's an opportunist, he plays to the British Muslim vote and forgets that for most people its the NHS, the economy, cost of living that matters to them. The Royal Navy cannot do anything with regards to the boat problem, its an issue which is on the periphery of their scope of duty. If a vessel is on the French side of the International Waters, its a French problem, if the vessel crosses into the UK side, its our problem, and you cannot push boats back into someone elses international waters ... Its ilegal. It's not illegal. The border in the sea is every bit as enforceable as land borders - it's just not being enforced because our politicians are feeble. But it's perfectly possible to enforce it. In the case of land borders anyone who flies into this country without the legal right (no visa or ID etc) is put on the next plane back to wherever they came from. That's possible because people who fly into this country are kept "airside" at the airport until they've passed immigration and customs. When they're airside they're not deemed to be in the UK. This principle is accepted worldwide. And we can do exactly the same thing with boats. If it's impractical/dangerous to turn them back they can be taken ashore to a similar area which is not deemed to be the UK and then returned whence they came if they don't have valid documentation. If we're waiting for a deal with France that will never happen. They hate these people more than we do. Witchfinder talks a lot of dribble. When one fact checks him he usually runs a mile. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 21, 2024 8:42:26 GMT
Understandable, but we're not all twats here. |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 21, 2024 8:52:47 GMT
Nobody actually has the solution, because in 2008 the country was bankrupted and they have kept on the same path that created it in the first place, illegal immigration is a good look over there not over here, if it was stopped you might actually notice, how bad a state the rest of society is in.
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Post by jonksy on Jun 21, 2024 9:04:18 GMT
But you still troll it anyway. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 21, 2024 9:38:02 GMT
This is what happens when you get bad apples in a bunch, unfortunately the atrocities happening around the world mainly due to Muslim extremists, the knock-on effect means all Muslims are getting tarred with the same brush, even in the UK we've seen their depraved behaviour, just like in the days of the IRA, when everyone branded all the Irish as terrorists.
It is up to the decent Muslims to root out these extremists instead of shielding them, or things will just continue to get worse. ... sad but true.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 21, 2024 10:05:18 GMT
George Galloway - His party political broadcast began with what he obviously thinks is the most important issue of our time in this country - namely Gaza. He's an opportunist, he plays to the British Muslim vote and forgets that for most people its the NHS, the economy, cost of living that matters to them. The Royal Navy cannot do anything with regards to the boat problem, its an issue which is on the periphery of their scope of duty. If a vessel is on the French side of the International Waters, its a French problem, if the vessel crosses into the UK side, its our problem, and you cannot push boats back into someone elses international waters ... Its ilegal. After watching special extended programming all this week on this issue on SKY News, its obvious now to me that the work to stop these gangs has to begin back at source, and I am convinced that Starmers pledge to involve MI5 in a new "Border Command" is the right direction to go. You're talking bloody rubbish, and you probably know it. Show me legislation that says the government of any coastal state may not prevent infringement of it's immigration laws. I wont hold my breath. International law clearly states that any country with a contiguous zone (Sea border)... ..."may excercise necessary controls to prevent infringement of it's immigration and customs laws within it's territory or territorial sea". International law is quite unambiguous and in the unlikely event that a British government found it's balls and physically stopped illegals entering UK territorial waters international law would be on the governments side. See United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Sect 4 article 33 - linkThe problem is, weak British politicians both Labour and centrist Tories, are terrified of upsetting the EU, so they pretend the ECHR is more important than international law. A pox on all their houses. |
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Post by ginnyg2 on Jun 21, 2024 10:17:10 GMT
From Red's link: ". In a zone contiguous to its territorial sea, described as the contiguous
zone, the coastal State may exercise the control necessary to:
(a) prevent infringement of its customs, fiscal, immigration or
sanitary laws and regulations within its territory or territorial
sea;
(b) punish infringement of the above laws and regulations
committed within its territory or territorial sea."
Seems clear enough to me.
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Post by jonksy on Jun 21, 2024 10:24:38 GMT
From Red's link: ". In a zone contiguous to its territorial sea, described as the contiguous zone, the coastal State may exercise the control necessary to: (a) prevent infringement of its customs, fiscal, immigration or sanitary laws and regulations within its territory or territorial sea; (b) punish infringement of the above laws and regulations committed within its territory or territorial sea." Seems clear enough to me. It is clear to everyone else who have a non lefty addled brain cell. |
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 21, 2024 10:30:54 GMT
George Galloway - His party political broadcast began with what he obviously thinks is the most important issue of our time in this country - namely Gaza. He's an opportunist, he plays to the British Muslim vote and forgets that for most people its the NHS, the economy, cost of living that matters to them. The Royal Navy cannot do anything with regards to the boat problem, its an issue which is on the periphery of their scope of duty. If a vessel is on the French side of the International Waters, its a French problem, if the vessel crosses into the UK side, its our problem, and you cannot push boats back into someone elses international waters ... Its ilegal. After watching special extended programming all this week on this issue on SKY News, its obvious now to me that the work to stop these gangs has to begin back at source, and I am convinced that Starmers pledge to involve MI5 in a new "Border Command" is the right direction to go. You're talking bloody rubbish, and you probably know it. Show me legislation that says the government of any coastal state may not prevent infringement of it's immigration laws. I wont hold my breath. International law clearly states that any country with a contiguous zone (Sea border)... ..."may excercise necessary controls to prevent infringement of it's immigration and customs laws within it's territory or territorial sea". International law is quite unambiguous and in the unlikely event that a British government found it's balls and physically stopped illegals entering UK territorial waters international law would be on the governments side. See United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Sect 4 article 33 - linkThe problem is, weak British politicians both Labour and centrist Tories, are terrified of upsetting the EU, so they pretend the ECHR is more important than international law. A pox on all their houses. I did state that immigration control falls on the periphary of the duties of a Navy, why do we have a UK Borders & Immigration Force ?, the Royal Navy is dedicated to the defence of the country. What would you expect the Royal Navy to do exactly ?, pick up illegal immigrants from international waters and then what ?, ask the French if they could "drop them off in Calais". ? Or perhaps fire on the boats until they sink and bodies are floating on the surface ? Its just rhetoric and jingoism with you people, LETS SEND THE NAVY IN Blaah blaah blahh, and do what ? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 21, 2024 10:37:14 GMT
You're talking bloody rubbish, and you probably know it. Show me legislation that says the government of any coastal state may not prevent infringement of it's immigration laws. I wont hold my breath. International law clearly states that any country with a contiguous zone (Sea border)... ..."may excercise necessary controls to prevent infringement of it's immigration and customs laws within it's territory or territorial sea". International law is quite unambiguous and in the unlikely event that a British government found it's balls and physically stopped illegals entering UK territorial waters international law would be on the governments side. See United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Sect 4 article 33 - linkThe problem is, weak British politicians both Labour and centrist Tories, are terrified of upsetting the EU, so they pretend the ECHR is more important than international law. A pox on all their houses. I did state that immigration control falls on the periphary of the duties of a Navy, why do we have a UK Borders & Immigration Force ?, the Royal Navy is dedicated to the defence of the country. What would you expect the Royal Navy to do exactly ?, pick up illegal immigrants from international waters and then what ?, ask the French if they could "drop them off in Calais". ? Or perhaps fire on the boats until they sink and bodies are floating on the surface ? Its just rhetoric and jingoism with you people, LETS SEND THE NAVY IN Blaah blaah blahh, and do what ? I never mentioned the navy, you did, several times. And you appear to have missed my previous. See above. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 21, 2024 11:13:19 GMT
This is what happens when you get bad apples in a bunch, unfortunately the atrocities happening around the world mainly due to Muslim extremists, the knock-on effect means all Muslims are getting tarred with the same brush, even in the UK we've seen their depraved behaviour, just like in the days of the IRA, when everyone branded all the Irish as terrorists.
It is up to the decent Muslims to root out these extremists instead of shielding them, or things will just continue to get worse. ... sad but true.
Do you think that the 1000 people who died in the Hajj deserved to die? Would you celebrate their deaths? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 21, 2024 11:22:59 GMT
This is what happens when you get bad apples in a bunch, unfortunately the atrocities happening around the world mainly due to Muslim extremists, the knock-on effect means all Muslims are getting tarred with the same brush, even in the UK we've seen their depraved behaviour, just like in the days of the IRA, when everyone branded all the Irish as terrorists.
It is up to the decent Muslims to root out these extremists instead of shielding them, or things will just continue to get worse. ... sad but true.
Do you think that the 1000 people who died in the Hajj deserved to die? Would you celebrate their deaths? Personally, I wouldn't exactly celebrate their deaths but in all honesty I'm ambivalent. It has nothing to do with me, or you. Every year people die at the Hajj, yet the following year they do exactly the same again. Meh. let em get on with it, in this country we have more pressing matters to worry about than some dark age tradition in a foreign country thousands of miles away. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 21, 2024 11:24:15 GMT
This is what happens when you get bad apples in a bunch, unfortunately the atrocities happening around the world mainly due to Muslim extremists, the knock-on effect means all Muslims are getting tarred with the same brush, even in the UK we've seen their depraved behaviour, just like in the days of the IRA, when everyone branded all the Irish as terrorists.
It is up to the decent Muslims to root out these extremists instead of shielding them, or things will just continue to get worse. ... sad but true.
Do you think that the 1000 people who died in the Hajj deserved to die? Would you celebrate their deaths? These things are a act of God, maybe it's a indication he isn't happy. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 21, 2024 11:33:24 GMT
This is what happens when you get bad apples in a bunch, unfortunately the atrocities happening around the world mainly due to Muslim extremists, the knock-on effect means all Muslims are getting tarred with the same brush, even in the UK we've seen their depraved behaviour, just like in the days of the IRA, when everyone branded all the Irish as terrorists.
It is up to the decent Muslims to root out these extremists instead of shielding them, or things will just continue to get worse. ... sad but true.
Do you think that the 1000 people who died in the Hajj deserved to die? Would you celebrate their deaths? It par of the course on the annual stampede andria. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 21, 2024 12:14:50 GMT
Do you think that the 1000 people who died in the Hajj deserved to die? Would you celebrate their deaths? No to both. Although if I were a follower of that religion I'd ask myself why my God would allow such to happen. |
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