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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 20, 2024 6:35:18 GMT
I think billionaires judge political parties by different criteria than most of us. For example he probably isn't bothered by immigration because he can afford to live wherever he wants. But he might change his tune when Labour start coming for his wealth.
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Post by sheepy on Jun 20, 2024 6:52:42 GMT
I think billionaires judge political parties by different criteria than most of us. For example he probably isn't bothered by immigration because he can afford to live wherever he wants. But he might change his tune when Labour start coming for his wealth. It didn't much help Russian billionaires when they thought they could move, their assets were soon seized. So, if I was them, I wouldn't think escaping is such a great option as they think, because they are less likely to be able to live under the radar than most. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 20, 2024 8:36:06 GMT
If Labour get a overall majority needed to form a government 326 seats, that still leave 324 seats divided between the other parties, which means just around 50% of the county voted Labour. I doubt it will be that much. More likely that most people won't bother to vote at all.
And who could blame them?
Agree, that could be 50% of a possible 48% turnout, so when you actually look at the numbers there will be no landslide victory for Labour, however they wont use the same calculations to wallow in their victory. |
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Post by piglet on Jun 20, 2024 8:59:18 GMT
Labour have failed in all aspects over the duration of their existence, even when left huge amounts of money. The nettle hasnt been grasped, why vote Labour?, i see no advantage in it, Labour are an illness, leaving devastation in their wake.
I must ask...why vote Labour? Andrew and witchfinder. A concise answer, with bullet points, and not obfuscation is required, i am open to being convinced that Labour are a possibility to vote for, its a short window of oppurtunity.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 20, 2024 9:08:37 GMT
I doubt it will be that much. More likely that most people won't bother to vote at all.
And who could blame them?
Agree, that could be 50% of a possible 48% turnout, so when you actually look at the numbers there will be no landslide victory for Labour, however they wont use the same calculations to wallow in their victory. I see that as quite likely - less than 1 in 4 voting for them. Pretty much like the London mayoral elections where only 1 in 6 voted Khan.
It's damning indictment of our so-called democracy.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 20, 2024 9:22:00 GMT
Agree, that could be 50% of a possible 48% turnout, so when you actually look at the numbers there will be no landslide victory for Labour, however they wont use the same calculations to wallow in their victory. I see that as quite likely - less than 1 in 4 voting for them. Pretty much like the London mayoral elections where only 1 in 6 voted Khan.
It's damning indictment of our so-called democracy.
The first thing Labour will do is rig the voting system, changing boundaries in their favour, letting 16 year olds have the vote, possibly even the prison population, their first five years in office will be dedicated to ensuring the Tories never get voted in again. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 20, 2024 9:27:44 GMT
I see that as quite likely - less than 1 in 4 voting for them. Pretty much like the London mayoral elections where only 1 in 6 voted Khan.
It's damning indictment of our so-called democracy.
The first thing Labour will do is rig the voting system, changing boundaries in their favour, letting 16 year olds have the vote, possibly even the prison population, their first five years in office will be dedicated to ensuring the Tories never get voted in again. I have no doubt they will, although I doubt that it will make the difference that they hope. I have older teenagers and they have practically zero interest in politics, they wouldn't vote unless I pushed them to do so. And they aren't left wing.
I suspect that the actual voting population in this country are mature people (25 and up) so giving the franchise to a younger, largely uninterested, demographic isn't going to change much.
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 20, 2024 9:29:32 GMT
Strange that some posters doubt the integrity, intelligence or judgment of those who intend to vote Labour... What's strange about that given the abject nonsense posted by many of the self-avowed Labour voters on here? Perhaps its because they are a parent with a child needing help with mental health and are despairing, because under the Tories mental health services have been half destroyed. Maybe its because they are a person on a low income living in a village and cannot get to and from work in town because the bus services were cut. Maybe its because their local school is dropping to pieces, or they have a grandmother in contant pain because she cannot get a simple knee replacement, or perhaps its a little old lady who used to enjoy going to the library which has closed. All of these things were fine back in 2010 - we are worse off, there is nothing that is better, nothing has improved, 14 years of nothing. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 20, 2024 9:42:29 GMT
The first thing Labour will do is rig the voting system, changing boundaries in their favour, letting 16 year olds have the vote, possibly even the prison population, their first five years in office will be dedicated to ensuring the Tories never get voted in again. I have no doubt they will, although I doubt that it will make the difference that they hope. I have older teenagers and they have practically zero interest in politics, they wouldn't vote unless I pushed them to do so. And they aren't left wing.
I suspect that the actual voting population in this country are mature people (25 and up) so giving the franchise to a younger, largely uninterested, demographic isn't going to change much.
Labour never attract the older voter, the 18 year old Labour voter of today is the 40 year old Tory voter of tomorrow.
The young impressionable Uni students have their socialist agenda, their protest marches the usual woke snowflake diversity blahblahblah
Then they get a proper job, start dating, get married, buy a property have a mortgage, pay bills, then the kids come along, all that goes out of the window ^^^.
They realise Labour and socialism dont pay bills, Labour will tax them to death and squander that money on reckless projects, their savings or pensions or both will be at risk ... then they become Tory voters..
That's why Labour target the young voters, because they know the older voters are more wiser.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 20, 2024 9:44:14 GMT
All of these things were fine back in 2010 - we are worse off, there is nothing that is better, nothing has improved, 14 years of nothing. As I said, abject nonsense. Let's look. Perhaps its because they are a parent with a child needing help with mental health and are despairing, because under the Tories mental health services have been half destroyed. I have worked closely with the NHS for nearly 30 years and mental health services have always been inadequate. Labour bemoaned "Care in the Community" in opposition but then continued with it throughout their three terms in office. Maybe its because they are a person on a low income living in a village and cannot get to and from work in town because the bus services were cut. Then the road pricing, ultra low emissions zones, congestion charges and Low Traffic Neighbourhoods so beloved of Labour are really going to help out, aren't they? Maybe its because their local school is dropping to pieces, or they have a grandmother in contant pain because she cannot get a simple knee replacement, or perhaps its a little old lady who used to enjoy going to the library which has closed. Until recently, my missus worked in a school and it was far from falling to pieces. Back in the mid 2000s I had to pay to have a knee operation because the NHS was crap. And that was under B'liar. And libraries have become sadly outdated due to the internet. All of these things were fine back in 2010... Bullshit. Are we? I'm not. ...there is nothing that is better, nothing has improved, 14 years of nothing... True, and it will only get worse under Labour. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 20, 2024 9:54:34 GMT
I wonder which offshore tax haven Caudwell's accountants and lawyers have stashed his £billions?
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 20, 2024 10:05:58 GMT
I see that as quite likely - less than 1 in 4 voting for them. Pretty much like the London mayoral elections where only 1 in 6 voted Khan.
It's damning indictment of our so-called democracy.
The first thing Labour will do is rig the voting system, changing boundaries in their favour, letting 16 year olds have the vote, possibly even the prison population, their first five years in office will be dedicated to ensuring the Tories never get voted in again. Giving 16 year olds the vote in order to prop up the left-wing vote sorta backfired in Europe where a surprisingly large numbers of the 'yoof' seem to like far-right party's..  The fan base of people like Andrew Tate should have been a warning. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 20, 2024 10:14:27 GMT
The first thing Labour will do is rig the voting system, changing boundaries in their favour, letting 16 year olds have the vote, possibly even the prison population, their first five years in office will be dedicated to ensuring the Tories never get voted in again. Giving 16 year olds the vote in order to prop up the left-wing vote sorta backfired in Europe where a surprisingly large numbers of the 'yoof' seem to like far-right party's.. The fan base of people like Andrew Tate should have been a warning. Let's face it Labour can't see that far ahead, Europe is turning Right .. Far-Right, Labour couldn't get in to power at a worse time when the tide is turning.
possibly by the end of their 5 year term the swing to the Right might change the dynamics of politics, Starmer and his arse licking EU Labour cronies will be stopped in their tracks with their Left Wing extreme policies.
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 20, 2024 10:33:54 GMT
All of these things were fine back in 2010 - we are worse off, there is nothing that is better, nothing has improved, 14 years of nothing. As I said, abject nonsense. Let's look. Perhaps its because they are a parent with a child needing help with mental health and are despairing, because under the Tories mental health services have been half destroyed. I have worked closely with the NHS for nearly 30 years and mental health services have always been inadequate. Labour bemoaned "Care in the Community" in opposition but then continued with it throughout their three terms in office. Maybe its because they are a person on a low income living in a village and cannot get to and from work in town because the bus services were cut. Then the road pricing, ultra low emissions zones, congestion charges and Low Traffic Neighbourhoods so beloved of Labour are really going to help out, aren't they? Maybe its because their local school is dropping to pieces, or they have a grandmother in contant pain because she cannot get a simple knee replacement, or perhaps its a little old lady who used to enjoy going to the library which has closed. Until recently, my missus worked in a school and it was far from falling to pieces. Back in the mid 2000s I had to pay to have a knee operation because the NHS was crap. And that was under B'liar. And libraries have become sadly outdated due to the internet. All of these things were fine back in 2010... Bullshit. Are we? I'm not. ...there is nothing that is better, nothing has improved, 14 years of nothing... True, and it will only get worse under Labour. Utter tripe - and I am going to tell you why its utter tripe My wife is a psychiatrist, not a jumior doctor or a registrar, she is a senior consultant, working in the NHS for 20 years. My wife has voluntary roles with the Royal College of Psychiatrists, she also helps to teach and train junior doctors, she sometimes works in the General Hospital, on A&E, sometimes in the Psychiatric Hospital, or in clinics or GP Centres, occassionaly she works in Police Stations and Prisons. Everything was fine in 2010, the entire service everywhere, from top to bottom has deteriorated, people no longer want to work in Mental Health because of the worse terms and conditions, everywhere is short staffed, they cannot recruit people, childrens services in many areas are worse than in third world countries. There is no one, not one single person in my wifes team who is going to vote Conservative, because they have decimated Mental Health Services. When you know of young mothers who are pulling their hair out because they cannot get the help their child needs, you know instinctively that this is what a failing service looks like. Mental Health Services may have always been the Cinderella Service, we know that, but it was never like this, and if you have any knowledge or experience of the NHS you would automatically know this. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 20, 2024 11:15:48 GMT
Labour have failed in all aspects over the duration of their existence, even when left huge amounts of money. The nettle hasnt been grasped, why vote Labour?, i see no advantage in it, Labour are an illness, leaving devastation in their wake. I must ask...why vote Labour? Andrew and witchfinder. A concise answer, with bullet points, and not obfuscation is required, i am open to being convinced that Labour are a possibility to vote for, its a short window of oppurtunity. I think that you are confusing me with being a proponent of Labour, but I'm not. I'm not really sure it's much in the way of "change", but rather more of the same, but with a different flavour. Socially wise, I'm much more in tune with the LibDems. If I had to vote based on a manifesto (or say if we had PR) that would be where my X would go. Economically wise, I'd prefer something much bolder. We need to kick start the economy, and the two main players have come up with offerings that just tinker round the edges. That's not going to drive growth. I'd prefer something much more progressive, such as the Greens advocate. They would also be in with a chance of an X under PR. In this election I will be voting Labour, purely based on our FPTP system. My constituency (CovNW) is a straight Labour Tory shootout. Normally it's safe Labour, but the Tories ran it mighty close in 2019. My vote therefore is not really for what I want, but rather against what I don't want. As such I'm not sure I'm really in a position to extoll the virtues. |
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