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Post by zanygame on Jun 27, 2024 16:18:52 GMT
These being the millionaires who are only here because they are not asked to contribute properly. The ones we want to keep are the investors in British industry and commerce, they are leaving because Brexit strangled the markets and its easier to invest and trade elsewhere. Tell me, which farm would you invest in, the ones who supplies Tesco, Asda and Sainsbury's. Or the one who shut the door on them all unless they agreed to his conditions? But wait. Now we're free of the EU won't all those millionaires leaving China want to come here? Leaving the EU simply gave us back our sovereignty. How the government uses sovereignty is another matter. How quickly you have forgotten how shit things were when we were in, all the poverty it caused, and the deaths. Whatever time are you referring to. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 27, 2024 16:45:47 GMT
Leaving the EU simply gave us back our sovereignty. How the government uses sovereignty is another matter. How quickly you have forgotten how shit things were when we were in, all the poverty it caused, and the deaths. Whatever time are you referring to. 1993-2020. And before that 1973-1993 were not good times either. Huge industrial decline took place and big parts of our country ended up deprived and forgotten. We went from being a net exporter to being a net importer and we've never recovered from the damage that was done by the ideological economic Darwinism it mandated. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 27, 2024 17:11:17 GMT
Whatever time are you referring to. 1993-2020. And before that 1973-1993 were not good times either. Huge industrial decline took place and big parts of our country ended up deprived and forgotten. We went from being a net exporter to being a net importer and we've never recovered from the damage that was done by the ideological economic Darwinism it mandated. Oh come on Vinny. I built my businesses from 1995 to 2007. They were fantastic times. Steady growth steady interest rates. Plus all the positives in NHS waiting lists etc. If the greedy bastard banks hadn't tried to money grab in the US by buying great lumps of subprime mortgages they might well have continued anther 10 years. And our imports exports balanced nicely if you included services (Insurance etc) 1973... The only industry that saw decline was coal mining and that was because year after year the miners held the country to ransom for easier conditions and more money until it was cheaper to ship it from abroad than dig our own. Did you know the miners went on strike for more money in the middle of WW2. Those lovely salt of the earth miners. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 27, 2024 17:26:34 GMT
"Oh come on Vinny"?
Oh come on you.
Ford closed car production down and van production down. Peugeot closed car production down.
Manufacturer after manufacturer ditched us.
The only ones who loved it, were those using cheap eastern European labour to circumvent the unions and push wages down.
Everyone else suffered heavy regulation and heavy protectionism with regard to other markets.
And, like I said, some people died.
Pawel Koseda for example died as a result of the flaws in the free movement system which is geared to saturate the labour market and push prices down, not to actually do anything good.
He came here without money, lost work, ended up destitute on the streets and died impaled on railings with Londoners just walking past ignoring him and not even bothering to see if he was ok.
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Post by zanygame on Jun 27, 2024 20:47:19 GMT
"Oh come on Vinny"? Oh come on you. Ford closed car production down and van production down. Peugeot closed car production down. Manufacturer after manufacturer ditched us. The only ones who loved it, were those using cheap eastern European labour to circumvent the unions and push wages down. Everyone else suffered heavy regulation and heavy protectionism with regard to other markets. And, like I said, some people died. Pawel Koseda for example died as a result of the flaws in the free movement system which is geared to saturate the labour market and push prices down, not to actually do anything good. He came here without money, lost work, ended up destitute on the streets and died impaled on railings with Londoners just walking past ignoring him and not even bothering to see if he was ok. Ford closed car production but it continues as a major production site with capacity to assemble 1.4 million engines a year. In 2008, the plant produced around 1,050,000 engines and was the largest producer of Ford diesel engines globally. Peugeot are a French company the EU did not destroy them. Dear oh dear. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 27, 2024 21:17:44 GMT
Engines is not cars, 2000 people lost their jobs when car production ended. When Transit production ended, 500 staff lost their jobs at the factory, another 750 at the stamping plant. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-23432322Peugeot closed the Ryton plant with the loss of over 2000 jobs. You claim EU membership was wonderful and was great for jobs. It fucking wasn't. It was economic Darwinism. It was cheaper to move production eastwards, sack UK staff and import instead. Even HP Sauce production in the UK stopped when we were in the EU. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 28, 2024 6:18:03 GMT
Engines is not cars, 2000 people lost their jobs when car production ended. When Transit production ended, 500 staff lost their jobs at the factory, another 750 at the stamping plant. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-23432322Peugeot closed the Ryton plant with the loss of over 2000 jobs. You claim EU membership was wonderful and was great for jobs. It fucking wasn't. It was economic Darwinism. It was cheaper to move production eastwards, sack UK staff and import instead. Even HP Sauce production in the UK stopped when we were in the EU. Bloody hell Vinny. Peugeot moved production from one EU country to another EU country. How does that make the EU bad for jobs. It makes the UK bad for jobs. Which makes for another lie, the idea that we had no say while we were in the EU, ofcourse we did, that's why companies left here for other EU states because our rules were worse than theirs. And if you want proof its us not them. Ask yourself how many car companies are queuing up to move back here now we've left. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 28, 2024 7:02:56 GMT
Of course it made the UK bad for jobs.
It made manufacturing in the UK decline.
It was no good for us at all.
Large parts of the country got poorer.
The rich may have got richer, but unemployment and poverty went up.
There was borderline modern slavery too.
It may have been legal, but only just. It still involved exploitation of extremely poor non union zero hour contracted imported workers paid peanuts to keep wages down.
If the EU reforms, introduces a minimum wage across it based on the cost of living in the most expensive but, establishes tax parity across it, and replaces the Commission with an elected body, and establishes a welfare state across the entire EU, well, that's what it needs if it is to work.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 28, 2024 7:50:39 GMT
Bloody hell Vinny. Peugeot moved production from one EU country to another EU country. How does that make the EU bad for jobs. It makes the UK bad for jobs. Which makes for another lie, the idea that we had no say while we were in the EU, ofcourse we did, that's why companies left here for other EU states because our rules were worse than theirs. And if you want proof its us not them. Ask yourself how many car companies are queuing up to move back here now we've left. Just as you noted earlier the inability of most Brexiteers to distinguish between asylum seekers and immigrants, myopics like Vinny are unable to differentiate between the actions (and inactions) of successive British governments and those of the EU.
Consequently they take the easy option of blaming everything on the EU.
As far as cars are concerned, the latest lunacy is to decry the EU's new tariff surcharge on Chinese EVs and to welcome the dumping of such vehicles on the UK market.
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Post by patman post on Jun 28, 2024 8:26:53 GMT
Bloody hell Vinny. Peugeot moved production from one EU country to another EU country. How does that make the EU bad for jobs. It makes the UK bad for jobs. Which makes for another lie, the idea that we had no say while we were in the EU, ofcourse we did, that's why companies left here for other EU states because our rules were worse than theirs. And if you want proof its us not them. Ask yourself how many car companies are queuing up to move back here now we've left. Just as you noted earlier the inability of most Brexiteers to distinguish between asylum seekers and immigrants, myopics like Vinny are unable to differentiate between the actions (and inactions) of successive British governments and those of the EU.
Consequently they take the easy option of blaming everything on the EU.
As far as cars are concerned, the latest lunacy is to decry the EU's new tariff surcharge on Chinese EVs and to welcome the dumping of such vehicles on the UK market.
Low priced Chinese EVs are credited with “encouraging” Renault and Citroen to offer £25k EVs… www.fleetalliance.co.uk/new-renault-5-heads-wave-of-sub-25000-evs/ |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 28, 2024 8:43:39 GMT
The Renault 5 EV has been in development for several years, so its appearance on the UK market has little to do with the Chinese.
Perhaps the price may have been shaved a little for price-sensitive Brits; it starts at € 33K in France (£ 28K).
Incidentally, the Dacia Spring, also mentioned in the article is one of the models subject to EU surcharge. It's made in China. Ditto the Tesla 3 and also the badge-engineered Geely EVs offered in Europe (Lotus, Smart and Volvo).
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Post by Vinny on Jun 28, 2024 11:28:58 GMT
Bloody hell Vinny. Peugeot moved production from one EU country to another EU country. How does that make the EU bad for jobs. It makes the UK bad for jobs. Which makes for another lie, the idea that we had no say while we were in the EU, ofcourse we did, that's why companies left here for other EU states because our rules were worse than theirs. And if you want proof its us not them. Ask yourself how many car companies are queuing up to move back here now we've left. Just as you noted earlier the inability of most Brexiteers to distinguish between asylum seekers and immigrants, myopics like Vinny are unable to differentiate between the actions (and inactions) of successive British governments and those of the EU.
Consequently they take the easy option of blaming everything on the EU.
As far as cars are concerned, the latest lunacy is to decry the EU's new tariff surcharge on Chinese EVs and to welcome the dumping of such vehicles on the UK market.
I don't blame everything on the EU, sometimes the EU does the right thing. For one thing, the aid to Ukraine. Regarding China, sanctions would be better than tariffs. All developed democracies should unite and block all trade with that dictatorship, unless it reforms and ceases to be a dictatorship. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jun 28, 2024 11:30:11 GMT
Whatever time are you referring to. 1993-2020. And before that 1973-1993 were not good times either. Huge industrial decline took place and big parts of our country ended up deprived and forgotten. We went from being a net exporter to being a net importer and we've never recovered from the damage that was done by the ideological economic Darwinism it mandated. The number of new cars made in the UK has sunk to its lowest level for 66 years as firms warn the country is not doing enough to attract manufacturers. The 10% drop is the worst performance since 1956, according to the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders. A struggle to get parts due to Covid and a semiconductor shortage have hit the industry worldwide, but the UK has also been hit by factory closures. Car firms warn the UK has not got a strategy to attract manufacturers. In response, the government said it was "determined" to ensure the country remains a top global location for car manufacturing. In total, the UK produced 775,014 cars last year, down from 1.3 million before the pandemic, with production having fallen every year since the UK voted to leave the European Union in 2016.
Manufacturers hope the car industry will start to accelerate again, but say getting to pre-pandemic levels would require major investment and new car makers to come to the UK. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 28, 2024 12:11:06 GMT
Oh for goodness sake you've properly missed what's really going on. There's a government imposed phase out of internal combustion engined vehicles. There is massive competition from the second hand car market. Electric vehicles have the same problems now they had a hundred years ago. They require charging, batteries wear out and they're expensive to replace. There's been a 30 percent plunge in demand for electric cars in Germany. www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/eu-electric-car-sales-drop-may-german-demand-slumps-industry-says-2024-06-20/Keeping old cars on the road is better for the environment. There's cheap competition from China and other shitholes and soon fuel cell vehicles will replace battery vehicles. When we were members Ford stopped producing cars and vans here (you didn't complain about that), Peugeot stopped producing vehicles here. Loads of manufacturers ditched the UK and you didn't complain. We leave the EU, suddenly Brexit is to blame for everything? Engage your brain. |
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Post by bancroft on Jun 30, 2024 9:40:02 GMT
I think the thread is wrongly named, a million these days is not that much surely we mean multi-millionaires.
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