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Post by wapentake on Jun 16, 2024 8:14:10 GMT
I know it’s no indicator of who will win but……
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 16, 2024 8:56:27 GMT
Labour have won this election, from now until July 4th it's a race for second place.
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Post by Hutchyns on Jun 16, 2024 9:22:35 GMT
Labour have won this election, from now until July 4th it's a race for second place.  On our way, on our way, To Number Ten, we're on our way, How we get there I don't know, How we get there I don't care, All I know is Labour's on their way ! |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 16, 2024 9:26:05 GMT
Labour have won this election, from now until July 4th it's a race for second place. I do not agree. Both Tory and Labour are not enthusing the nation, it is the end of the road whereby selection was not upon who you wanted but was on who you did not want. The Red wall finally showed that Labour could not rely on the working class vote and that taking some form of cognizance of what the people actually wanted was necessary to garner votes and delivering that was vitally important. It is clear the people do not want the Tories and it is increasing clear they do not want Labour who are in the lead by default as opposed to having a programme suitable for the electorate. As the weeks and programmes unfold I am not sure if Labour will win a landslide, but maybe that is wishful thinking, currently there is all to play for. |
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Post by piglet on Jun 16, 2024 9:31:28 GMT
Labours downfall will be the boats. Even now, before Labour are booted by this one issue like the Tories, its like a neon sign. Chaos will reign in the house of parliament, Starmer cant see anything coming, he will be like a deer in the headlights.
Even a moron can see it coming. Ideology, is worse than a learning disability, he will have learnt nowt from the chaos of parliament going back to the b itch May. Farage has the advantage of intuition, Starmer wont know what that is.
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Post by Dogburger on Jun 16, 2024 9:37:18 GMT
I just want to see Farage in full flow in the houses of parliament giving it large with Starmer not knowing where to put his face as another of his policies is pulled to pieces .
Cant do a lot to help Farage in Clacton but I'll do my bit to try and get him someone to talk to in the Westminster Arms at lunch time .
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 16, 2024 10:32:31 GMT
Labour have won this election, from now until July 4th it's a race for second place. I do not agree. Both Tory and Labour are not enthusing the nation, it is the end of the road whereby selection was not upon who you wanted but was on who you did not want. The Red wall finally showed that Labour could not rely on the working class vote and that taking some form of cognizance of what the people actually wanted was necessary to garner votes and delivering that was vitally important. It is clear the people do not want the Tories and it is increasing clear they do not want Labour who are in the lead by default as opposed to having a programme suitable for the electorate. As the weeks and programmes unfold I am not sure if Labour will win a landslide, but maybe that is wishful thinking, currently there is all to play for. I couldn't agree more, this has been so far at any rate, the most boring general election in living memory. The Tories know they've lost so many of their MP's have given up, Labour are so far ahead in the polls they're frightened to death of saying the wrong thing thereby snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, so they're saying nothing, and Ed Davey, well he's away with the unicorns. The only person who is creating any excitement is Farage, again. You say people don't want the Tories, I think you're wrong. Tory voters want a proper centre right Conservative government, the reason the Tories are heading for electoral defeat is because they are not centre right Conservatives. Blair was further to the right than Sunak. As you say Labour will win by default, Starmer will be handed the keys to number 10 because for years centrist Tories have ignored traditional Conservative voters. But now with Farage leading Reform, the next five years are going to be very interesting. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 16, 2024 10:35:43 GMT
On our way, on our way, To Number Ten, we're on our way, How we get there I don't know, How we get there I don't care, All I know is Labour's on their way ! Yes indeed, not because they're any good, but because the Tories are bloody rubbish. |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 16, 2024 10:41:48 GMT
I am voting Independence Day. Just for ironies sake.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 16, 2024 10:45:51 GMT
I am voting Independence Day. Just for ironies sake. You're not participating then. Hey it's a choice, I suppose... |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 16, 2024 10:50:39 GMT
I am voting Independence Day. Just for ironies sake. You're not participating then. Hey it's a choice, I suppose... Which one of the above will give people their dignity back and their democratic right to choose how they are governed for the next four years, on a policy-by-policy basis? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 16, 2024 11:07:24 GMT
You're not participating then. Hey it's a choice, I suppose... Which one of the above will give people their dignity back and their democratic right to choose how they are governed for the next four years, on a policy-by-policy basis? Can you point out the last government who did that? |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 16, 2024 11:08:52 GMT
Which one of the above will give people their dignity back and their democratic right to choose how they are governed for the next four years, on a policy-by-policy basis? Can you point out the last government who did that? None of the above then, as that seems the most sensible course taken by the majority of the electorate. |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 16, 2024 11:19:15 GMT
So, when the media and politicians say this what you voted for, erm no we didn't.
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Post by sandypine on Jun 16, 2024 13:18:20 GMT
I do not agree. Both Tory and Labour are not enthusing the nation, it is the end of the road whereby selection was not upon who you wanted but was on who you did not want. The Red wall finally showed that Labour could not rely on the working class vote and that taking some form of cognizance of what the people actually wanted was necessary to garner votes and delivering that was vitally important. It is clear the people do not want the Tories and it is increasing clear they do not want Labour who are in the lead by default as opposed to having a programme suitable for the electorate. As the weeks and programmes unfold I am not sure if Labour will win a landslide, but maybe that is wishful thinking, currently there is all to play for. I couldn't agree more, this has been so far at any rate, the most boring general election in living memory. The Tories know they've lost so many of their MP's have given up, Labour are so far ahead in the polls they're frightened to death of saying the wrong thing thereby snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, so they're saying nothing, and Ed Davey, well he's away with the unicorns. The only person who is creating any excitement is Farage, again. You say people don't want the Tories, I think you're wrong. Tory voters want a proper centre right Conservative government, the reason the Tories are heading for electoral defeat is because they are not centre right Conservatives. Blair was further to the right than Sunak. As you say Labour will win by default, Starmer will be handed the keys to number 10 because for years centrist Tories have ignored traditional Conservative voters. But now with Farage leading Reform, the next five years are going to be very interesting. I should perhaps have said people do not want this Tory party. People realistically wanted Boris's Tory party and if he had set himself to the programme he outlined they may well be now riding high, but he lost the plot, covid got in the way and the one nation Tories took their chance. It seems Boris wanted to be Prime Minister without actually being PM |
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