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Post by see2 on Jun 13, 2024 16:31:56 GMT
In summary: More staff, less bureaucracy. No details. In practice: An even more bloated middle management chasing pointless targets in lieu of actually doing anything productive. We've seen it all before. Maybe under the Tories, but not under Starmer. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 13, 2024 16:42:42 GMT
Labour had thirteen years to renationalise the railways after John Major privatised them in the 1990's & to create a new state owned energy company etcetera, why did they not do so in the 90's? Your hero Blair continued with Privatisation, didn't he? What makes you think Starmer can be trusted? Some employers are already at the limit of what they can afford to pay staff. Being in business doesn't mean being billionaires. Will Labour take into account annual turnover, profits, losses? I certainly won't be taking anyone on if Labour push up wages. Trusting in Starmer? hmm, well the last Labour didn't manage to make all the improvements they wanted to, but they did inherit a load of shit, not unlike what the next government will inherit. But they did manage to correct a hell of a lot of the shit they inherited. A Biggy for Labour is creating more employment by encouraging businesses to invest alongside of government investment. Makes more sense than spending money and offering to cut costs for new investors from abroad who's bottom line appears to be how much cash can we take these mugs for. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 13, 2024 17:08:18 GMT
In summary: More staff, less bureaucracy. No details. In practice: An even more bloated middle management chasing pointless targets in lieu of actually doing anything productive. We've seen it all before. Maybe under the Tories, but not under Starmer. I work for the government and that was exactly how it panned out under the last Labour government. And they are quite clearly shaping up to do exactly the same again. Been there, seen it, done it and worn the tee-shirt. |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 13, 2024 17:33:08 GMT
Labour had thirteen years to renationalise the railways after John Major privatised them in the 1990's & to create a new state owned energy company etcetera, why did they not do so in the 90's? Your hero Blair continued with Privatisation, didn't he? What makes you think Starmer can be trusted? Some employers are already at the limit of what they can afford to pay staff. Being in business doesn't mean being billionaires. Will Labour take into account annual turnover, profits, losses? I certainly won't be taking anyone on if Labour push up wages. Trusting in Starmer? hmm, well the last Labour didn't manage to make all the improvements they wanted to, but they did inherit a load of shit, not unlike what the next government will inherit. But they did manage to correct a hell of a lot of the shit they inherited. A Biggy for Labour is creating more employment by encouraging businesses to invest alongside of government investment. Makes more sense than spending money and offering to cut costs for new investors from abroad who's bottom line appears to be how much cash can we take these mugs for. One all the Westminster party voted for, the electorate aren't buying it, any of it. |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 13, 2024 18:45:23 GMT
I REMMEMBER YOU SAYING no one can afford the minimum wage loads will go bankrupt but you was wrong then as well Loads have gone bankrupt. The country is bankrupt. It has been fully bankrupt since 2007 and getting deeper in it every year ever since. This can be traced back when in the 80s it was decided a whole new country would be formed financially by creating a services nation above an industrial base, I would guess it was like a birthday for the Chinese who have never looked back. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 13, 2024 21:18:58 GMT
The minimum wage and other factors (including EU membership) did cost jobs: api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1998/nov/10/factory-closuresThere has been a lot of industrial decline both under Conservative and under Labour governments. Throughout the 2000's, Ford car production in the UK ended. Peugeot car production in the UK ended. Food manufacturers including the legendary HP Sauce production line stopped manufacturing here and moved abroad. And last time they were in, they said of traditionally unionised jobs being taken by cheap labour from abroad "they're coming to do the jobs Brits don't want to do". A policy which held down wages and caused resentment. I have no confidence that Labour have changed at all. I have no confidence that they will protect British jobs in future. I have no confidence in your latest clearly biased political ramblings. -- "Facing a drop in demand and intense competition, Ford stopped building cars in the UK in 2002. It has continued to manufacture engines in Bridgend and Dagenham, as well as transmissions in Halewood." -- "In 2007, Peugeot were active in 72% of market segments, something that they want to increase to 90%. Peugeot started to pursue new markets with a focus on China, Russia and South America. They re-entered the Indian market after 14 years with a new factory in Gujarat." -- |
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Post by see2 on Jun 13, 2024 22:00:12 GMT
Maybe under the Tories, but not under Starmer. I work for the government and that was exactly how it panned out under the last Labour government. And they are quite clearly shaping up to do exactly the same again. Been there, seen it, done it and worn the tee-shirt. How come the last Labour government was so successful for around 7 years before the 'I F Meltdown' began to creep in and hit in 2008?? Your second point is just your, not at all important opinion. The last Labour government was not under Starmer. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 13, 2024 22:10:29 GMT
As an example of pointless waffle this takes some beating. How exactly is this 'Great British Energy' going to cut energy bills? By eliminating the till robbing CEOs and their personal bank account before business attitudes? |
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Post by see2 on Jun 13, 2024 22:19:21 GMT
I REMMEMBER YOU SAYING no one can afford the minimum wage loads will go bankrupt but you was wrong then as well Loads have gone bankrupt. The country is bankrupt. Well it took some time if it was caused by the minimum wage, which was introduced in 1998. So it really doesn't look like it was the minimum wage that is to blame. Recession, austerity and Covid 19 are the more likely causes. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 13, 2024 22:22:07 GMT
Nothing we didn't expect as its all been aired in public so they could see what they could get away with .Doctors have already said they will not work any extra hours so thats all the NHS reforms dead in the water already. Energy is set at the market value its not going to be cheaper to switch to any government run company ,so they are making more of that than they should be . The schools tax is an attack on average earners that prioritise their children's education , its not going to affect rich people .Yes state schools need extra funding but find it elsewhere not within the education system .This policy just makes private schools even more elite . The police stuff with violence against women already exists, VAWG was launched in 2023 so hardly a new policy I agree with the water company bosses being held accountable but it doesn't go far enough Labour wont house Asylum seekers in Hotels , we know this because under labour their status will be changed from asylum seeker to British citizen More waffle about protecting women More waffle about protecting the borders Railways policy is unclear , are they nationalising them or not ? Im sure the private companies will have something to say about a 'governance structure' .We will have to wait and see what thats all about . Putting up the minimum wage , well yes good news for the low paid but it is increased anyway so its a bit of an expected policy if you can even call it a policy when its expected Breakfast clubs . WTF , so Im paying for someone else's kids food now , what the policy should be is if you DON'T feed your kids the state will remove them from your 'care ', you will be sent to work picking fruit and your home used for the next person on the social housing list . Not much to vote for there for me ,if that's the high points I won't bother reading the rest Nothing wrong with posting personal opinions. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 13, 2024 22:23:33 GMT
How can you take anyone serious who has Angela Rayner as their avatar FFS. Jonski is in love with her LOL |
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Post by dodgydave on Jun 14, 2024 1:10:03 GMT
I work for the government and that was exactly how it panned out under the last Labour government. And they are quite clearly shaping up to do exactly the same again. Been there, seen it, done it and worn the tee-shirt. How come the last Labour government was so successful for around 7 years before the 'I F Meltdown' began to creep in and hit in 2008?? Your second point is just your, not at all important opinion. The last Labour government was not under Starmer. Re-writing history again I see. New Labour continued with much of the policies of Thatcher and Major which did lead to good growth. The only problem was that much of this growth (retail, services, property) was built on consumer debt. AGAIN, you fail to mention how New Labour's deregulation of Britain's financial system left us FUCKED when the US subprime market collapsed. Yes Brown did act quickly once it happened, but it was his policies that left us so exposed in the first place! Come on, you lived through those times like the rest of us, stop pretending you didn't see the explosion of irresponsible lending that occurred during that time. You could get a buy-to-let mortgage with zero checks (self-certification) for fuck sake! |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 14, 2024 6:38:27 GMT
As an example of pointless waffle this takes some beating. How exactly is this 'Great British Energy' going to cut energy bills? By eliminating the till robbing CEOs and their personal bank account before business attitudes? How is it eliminating CEO's - it is complementary to existing energy companies and it will have a (very well paid) CEO of it's own. Do you understand anything about the proposal? |
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Post by see2 on Jun 14, 2024 6:56:27 GMT
How come the last Labour government was so successful for around 7 years before the 'I F Meltdown' began to creep in and hit in 2008?? Your second point is just your, not at all important opinion. The last Labour government was not under Starmer. Re-writing history again I see. New Labour continued with much of the policies of Thatcher and Major which did lead to good growth. The only problem was that much of this growth (retail, services, property) was built on consumer debt. AGAIN, you fail to mention how New Labour's deregulation of Britain's financial system left us FUCKED when the US subprime market collapsed. Yes Brown did act quickly once it happened, but it was his policies that left us so exposed in the first place! Come on, you lived through those times like the rest of us, stop pretending you didn't see the explosion of irresponsible lending that occurred during that time. You could get a buy-to-let mortgage with zero checks (self-certification) for fuck sake! You know nothing but your distorted and totally biased approach politics. Complete nonsense. Thatcher enjoyed the full benefit of North sea Oil and Natural Gas income (before she sold them off) Plus the income from selling off Oil and Gas etc. Yet still left two huge economic black holes where the NHS and State Education used to be, along with extra thousands of people without a job. An unhealthy economy which was improved slightly but not repaired by John Major. Brown ended her use of controlling the economy with government Boom and Bust using inflation and deflation. Which led to a more stable economy. Labour's deregulation levels where continuously called for by the Tory Party and by Industry. There was a continuous whinge about too much 'red tape'. Even so, Labour did not cause the international financial meltdown which so damaged Western economies. The Banks were overflowing with money, they determined the level of lending and mortgages available. Aided and abetted by Mortgage companies including Banking, and Banks including Mortgages, all thanks to Changes made by Thatcher. The problem hit when the Banks found out the money and income they were enjoying turned out to be worthless, i.e. the meltdown. Your silly biased and distorted thinking wants to put all the blame on Labour, and that makes you a political knob-head. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 14, 2024 7:05:05 GMT
I do love these posters who defend Labours financial regulation system (that they created) when Gordon Brown has already apologised for it failing..
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