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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 12, 2024 13:51:41 GMT
You are confusing and conflating, perhaps deliberately or more likely out of ignorance, migration into Sweden in general with the one-off scheme to distribute a fixed number of 'asylum seekers' who had arrived in 2015/16 (ie eight years ago) and who the European Council (including Sweden) voted to disperse across the EU according to quotas devised by the EU Commission. I don't know whether Sweden was assigned a quota or not, but if they were it was a consequence of their own government agreeing to it. Your inability to distinguish between the general and the particular is making you appear both very dense and very foolish, so I would advise you to desist forthwith. Dan, I am not confusing or conflating the fact, and it is a fact, that the EU migration disaster was designed and implemented from Brussels. |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 12, 2024 13:57:41 GMT
Commissioners of the EU are politicians who write policies that affect taxpayers, therefore taxpayers should be able to choose for themselves who represents them. And your argument is a false equivalence. I suggest decisions taken by the list I presented choose how to carry out policies that affect taxpayers — both in money and wellbeing terms. So far, the majority of the electorate seems content to allow our elected representatives to appoint them.
Your arguments appear to be no more than more EU-phobe contrivances...
The list you gave has a clear line from the electorate to the auspices under which they operate and those who appoint them. The Commission are answerable to the Treaties and not to either the electorate or those who appoint them. The EU parliament has a sideways input into law but only as the Commission approve. The whole idea of the EU is to present a facade of democratic power whilst operating on treaties drawn up many years ago and often with little or no democratic input. Changing the way things work is not really an EU principle and is the way bureaucracies work and keep power from arriving at the people. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 12, 2024 13:58:03 GMT
The EU Commission are not elected by the people. The Council are often comprised of politicians who have lost EU Parliament elections and have no actual mandate to be on the Council. There is a democratic deficit that you do not wish to address. You appear to be just as fuzzy about EU institutions and their role as Red Rackham.
The European Council is not comprised of failed politicians but rather the current heads of state or government of the 27 member states, plus the Presidents of the Council and the Commission.
The President of the Council is appointed by the Council, and the President of the Commission jointly by the Council and the European Parliament.
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Post by sandypine on Jun 12, 2024 14:03:41 GMT
The EU Commission are not elected by the people. The Council are often comprised of politicians who have lost EU Parliament elections and have no actual mandate to be on the Council. There is a democratic deficit that you do not wish to address. You appear to be just as fuzzy about EU institutions and their role as Red Rackham.
The European Council is not comprised of failed politicians but rather the current heads of state or government of the 27 member states, plus the Presidents of the Council and the Commission.
The President of the Council is appointed by the Council, and the President of the Commission jointly by the Council and the European Parliament.
How is who is to stand as President of teh Commission arrived at? Having one option to vote to approve or two approved candidates to decide between is the type of system we regularly condemn in many other countries. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 12, 2024 14:11:35 GMT
The EU Commission are not elected by the people. The Council are often comprised of politicians who have lost EU Parliament elections and have no actual mandate to be on the Council. There is a democratic deficit that you do not wish to address. You appear to be just as fuzzy about EU institutions and their role as Red Rackham.
The European Council is not comprised of failed politicians but rather the current heads of state or government of the 27 member states, plus the Presidents of the Council and the Commission.
The President of the Council is appointed by the Council, and the President of the Commission jointly by the Council and the European Parliament.
Stop prevaricating. The EU imposed migrant quotas on member states - link |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 12, 2024 14:15:27 GMT
The EU Commission are not elected by the people. The Council are often comprised of politicians who have lost EU Parliament elections and have no actual mandate to be on the Council. There is a democratic deficit that you do not wish to address. You appear to be just as fuzzy about EU institutions and their role as Red Rackham.
The European Council is not comprised of failed politicians but rather the current heads of state or government But they are failed politicians with regards to the EU. With regards to representation at EU level, Tony Blair lost every EU election he contested (as did Gordon Brown). Without a mandate at EU level, the two losers signed treaties including the Amsterdam, Nice and Lisbon Treaties. Reform of the EU not only requires direct election to the Commission, but direct election to the Council, distinct from who is PM / President / Head of State. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 12, 2024 14:56:47 GMT
You appear to be just as fuzzy about EU institutions and their role as Red Rackham.
The European Council is not comprised of failed politicians but rather the current heads of state or government of the 27 member states, plus the Presidents of the Council and the Commission.
The President of the Council is appointed by the Council, and the President of the Commission jointly by the Council and the European Parliament.
How is who is to stand as President of teh Commission arrived at? Having one option to vote to approve or two approved candidates to decide between is the type of system we regularly condemn in many other countries. Von de liar was chosen behind closed doors FFS... |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 12, 2024 18:31:32 GMT
How is who is to stand as President of teh Commission arrived at? Having one option to vote to approve or two approved candidates to decide between is the type of system we regularly condemn in many other countries. Von de liar was chosen behind closed doors FFS... Pretty much the same system as Iran and China use those two bastions of the democratic process. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 13, 2024 7:20:43 GMT
Whatever Merkel may or may not have done, with or without alleged collusion by the EU, does not alter the fact that Sweden was not under any compulsion to admit any migrants from whatever source. Whether it did or did not was completely under the control of its own government. What about freedom of movement? Once these people have been let in to the EU they can go anywhere they like. And many of them decided to go to Sweden because it has very good benefits. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 13, 2024 7:46:01 GMT
Generally, only EU citizens have to right to freedom of movement or, more correctly, freedom of residence. Immigrants generally have to have been legally resident in an EU member state for five years before freedom of movement/residence is granted.
I stress the 'residence' aspect because that is the most important aspect of the regulations for a would-be worker or student who wants to move long term to a different country. Otherwise a 90-day limit applies.
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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 14, 2024 7:06:55 GMT
Sweden is in Schengen DD. Anyone in the EU can just go and live there without showing any papers at all. The Swedish govt couldn't have denied entry to all the muslim who are causing the trouble - and who have boasted that Sweden would be "theirs" in a few years - even if they had wanted to.
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