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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 10, 2024 9:03:09 GMT
Sweden has become a 'haven' for gang violence and is the EU's gun crime capital off the back of surging migration: As murders surge, police and politicians say the nation is at crisis point. In less than two decades Sweden has descended into an immigrant infested war zone which has gone largely unreported outside of the country. Stockholm's per-capita murder rate is roughly 30 times that of London, the killings have turned Sweden, seen for many years from the outside as a peaceful Scandinavian welfare state, into the European Union's gun-homicide capital. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13501783/How-Sweden-haven-mafia-gangs.htmlBack in the 1950's is this what the founding fathers of the European Union envisaged - hitherto peaceful countries becoming 'multicultural' crime ridden hell holes? No of course not. But over the past twenty years it is precisely what the unelected presidents and commissioners, the architects of this almighty disaster, have overseen. And as we all know, even though the EU stifle any debate or criticism, Sweden is not the only EU state struggling to cope with mass immigration and immigrant crime. And some people wonder why right wing parties are gaining ground. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 10, 2024 9:38:42 GMT
I believe Dan Dare & co. will be along to say that the EU handball that issue to state government absolving the EU of any blame whatsoever. Convenient eh?
Remember, anything good derives from the EU; anything bad derives from the state.
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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 11, 2024 6:23:58 GMT
It's remarkable how little coverage this has had in the press - even in Swede itself. This descent into lawlessness has been caused entirely by the massive influx of muslims allowed (provoked) by Merkel.
We're just a few years behind, but it's coming here too. It's just so predictable but none of our mainstream politicians want to talk about it.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 11, 2024 9:51:40 GMT
It's remarkable how little coverage this has had in the press - even in Swede itself. This descent into lawlessness has been caused entirely by the massive influx of muslims allowed (provoked) by Merkel. We're just a few years behind, but it's coming here too. It's just so predictable but none of our mainstream politicians want to talk about it. It's probably redundant to mention it, but for the nth time, every one of the migrants who have ended up in Sweden in the last forty years or so has done so with the approval and blessing of the Swedish government. They were under no compulsion to admit any of them.
And, of course, neither is/was the UK.
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Post by wapentake on Jun 11, 2024 11:10:51 GMT
It's remarkable how little coverage this has had in the press - even in Swede itself. This descent into lawlessness has been caused entirely by the massive influx of muslims allowed (provoked) by Merkel. We're just a few years behind, but it's coming here too. It's just so predictable but none of our mainstream politicians want to talk about it. It's probably redundant to mention it, but for the nth time, every one of the migrants who have ended up in Sweden in the last forty years or so has done so with the approval and blessing of the Swedish government. They were under no compulsion to admit any of them. And, of course, neither is/was the UK.
Which ignores the fact the eu led by Merkel encouraged many of those to take the trip,the ideal never to allow the rise of political extremism which afforded Hitler his place in history wasn’t initially a bad one but what as you mentioned the liberal leaders in the eu took it to the nth degree and where has that led us to the rise of the AFD and others in Austria and elsewhere who openly admire and applaud Putin as a figure to look up to and emulate. Duck and dive all you like Dan but it is the eu consensus that has led to where we are today. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 11, 2024 11:21:01 GMT
Whatever Merkel may or may not have done, with or without alleged collusion by the EU, does not alter the fact that Sweden was not under any compulsion to admit any migrants from whatever source. Whether it did or did not was completely under the control of its own government.
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Post by see2 on Jun 11, 2024 12:42:02 GMT
Sweden has become a 'haven' for gang violence and is the EU's gun crime capital off the back of surging migration: As murders surge, police and politicians say the nation is at crisis point. In less than two decades Sweden has descended into an immigrant infested war zone which has gone largely unreported outside of the country. Stockholm's per-capita murder rate is roughly 30 times that of London, the killings have turned Sweden, seen for many years from the outside as a peaceful Scandinavian welfare state, into the European Union's gun-homicide capital. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13501783/How-Sweden-haven-mafia-gangs.htmlBack in the 1950's is this what the founding fathers of the European Union envisaged - hitherto peaceful countries becoming 'multicultural' crime ridden hell holes? No of course not. But over the past twenty years it is precisely what the unelected presidents and commissioners, the architects of this almighty disaster, have overseen. And as we all know, even though the EU stifle any debate or criticism, Sweden is not the only EU state struggling to cope with mass immigration and immigrant crime. And some people wonder why right wing parties are gaining ground. Why are you blaming the EU? Righties like yourself distort the truth for their own ends, which is how they make gains when things get bad. Reminder: The event that allowed Right-wing Politicians in Germany to allow Hitler into power was when their already very troubled economy was hit by the 1930s depression that hit all Western economies. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 11, 2024 12:53:58 GMT
It's probably redundant to mention it, but for the nth time, every one of the migrants who have ended up in Sweden in the last forty years or so has done so with the approval and blessing of the Swedish government. They were under no compulsion to admit any of them. And, of course, neither is/was the UK.
Which ignores the fact the eu led by Merkel encouraged many of those to take the trip,the ideal never to allow the rise of political extremism which afforded Hitler his place in history wasn’t initially a bad one but what as you mentioned the liberal leaders in the eu took it to the nth degree and where has that led us to the rise of the AFD and others in Austria and elsewhere who openly admire and applaud Putin as a figure to look up to and emulate. Duck and dive all you like Dan but it is the eu consensus that has led to where we are today. Merkle did advertise for skilled personnel from outside of Germany. AFAIA, her main comment on asylum seekers was to assist Italy who were at one time taking the brunt of asylum seekers coming by boats causing Italy to be overrun by them. Other than that the main problem has been the ECHR. Not the EU Per Se. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 12, 2024 12:05:33 GMT
Sweden has become a 'haven' for gang violence and is the EU's gun crime capital off the back of surging migration: As murders surge, police and politicians say the nation is at crisis point. In less than two decades Sweden has descended into an immigrant infested war zone which has gone largely unreported outside of the country. Stockholm's per-capita murder rate is roughly 30 times that of London, the killings have turned Sweden, seen for many years from the outside as a peaceful Scandinavian welfare state, into the European Union's gun-homicide capital. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13501783/How-Sweden-haven-mafia-gangs.htmlBack in the 1950's is this what the founding fathers of the European Union envisaged - hitherto peaceful countries becoming 'multicultural' crime ridden hell holes? No of course not. But over the past twenty years it is precisely what the unelected presidents and commissioners, the architects of this almighty disaster, have overseen. And as we all know, even though the EU stifle any debate or criticism, Sweden is not the only EU state struggling to cope with mass immigration and immigrant crime. And some people wonder why right wing parties are gaining ground. Why are you blaming the EU? Righties like yourself distort the truth for their own ends, which is how they make gains when things get bad. Reminder: The event that allowed Right-wing Politicians in Germany to allow Hitler into power was when their already very troubled economy was hit by the 1930s depression that hit all Western economies. This is like banging your head off a hard surface... it's nice when it stops. See2, my dear deluded €uro fanatic. I blame the EU because it's the EU's fault. Over the past 20 years or so, the EU opened job centres in Africa (2008 and 2009) and spent €billions on project Africa in which they encouraged millions of people to come to Europe. Merkel famously welcomed African migrants saying "Wir schaffen das" (we can manage) then before she retired into a life of immigrant free tax payer funded luxury she had the utter bloody gall to say she wished she could turn the clock back. That incompetent left wing bitch, along with the unelected presidents and commissioners, the Politburo, should be prosecuted for crimes against Europe. But it got worse didn't it. Thanks to the incompetent EU people from Asia and the Middle East decided to join millions of Africans who were crossing the Med to a borderless Europe, and when immigration started to become a problem what did the EU do? That's right, they imposed migrant quotas on member states with threats of huge fines for any member state who refused to accept them. The entire EU immigration crisis has been planned and implemented from Brussels. And you ask me, why I blame the EU! |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 12, 2024 12:21:50 GMT
Whatever Merkel may or may not have done, with or without alleged collusion by the EU, does not alter the fact that Sweden was not under any compulsion to admit any migrants from whatever source. Whether it did or did not was completely under the control of its own government. I thought we had already done this? The EU imposed migrant quotas on member states threatening huge fines for any state that refused. As far as I'm aware Sweden is an EU member state. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 12, 2024 12:39:35 GMT
You are confusing and conflating, perhaps deliberately or more likely out of ignorance, migration into Sweden in general with the one-off scheme to distribute a fixed number of 'asylum seekers' who had arrived in 2015/16 (ie eight years ago) and who the European Council (including Sweden) voted to disperse across the EU according to quotas devised by the EU Commission.
I don't know whether Sweden was assigned a quota or not, but if they were it was a consequence of their own government agreeing to it.
Your inability to distinguish between the general and the particular is making you appear both very dense and very foolish, so I would advise you to desist forthwith.
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Post by Vinny on Jun 12, 2024 13:16:14 GMT
The EU Commission are not elected by the people.
The Council are often comprised of politicians who have lost EU Parliament elections and have no actual mandate to be on the Council.
There is a democratic deficit that you do not wish to address.
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Post by patman post on Jun 12, 2024 13:28:51 GMT
The EU Commission are not elected by the people. The Council are often comprised of politicians who have lost EU Parliament elections and have no actual mandate to be on the Council. There is a democratic deficit that you do not wish to address. Do think the UK electorate — devolved and UK wide — should directly elect to their positions judges, area NHS/health chiefs, serving Police chiefs, area fire service commanders, local education authority bosses, military chiefs, etc, etc, etc...? |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 12, 2024 13:33:26 GMT
Commissioners of the EU are politicians who write policies that affect taxpayers, therefore taxpayers should be able to choose for themselves who represents them.
And your argument is a false equivalence.
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Post by patman post on Jun 12, 2024 13:43:23 GMT
Commissioners of the EU are politicians who write policies that affect taxpayers, therefore taxpayers should be able to choose for themselves who represents them. And your argument is a false equivalence. I suggest decisions taken by the list I presented choose how to carry out policies that affect taxpayers — both in money and wellbeing terms. So far, the majority of the electorate seems content to allow our elected representatives to appoint them.
Your arguments appear to be no more than more EU-phobe contrivances...
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