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Post by oracle75 on Jun 14, 2024 10:57:21 GMT
I note Vinny is still halfway through his Big Book of Fairytales.
I really can't accept the idea that happy families will solve issues like the cost of living, potential invasion of Europe, high numbers of those who have chosen too leave work early, the problems in the NHS and care. I cant reconcile the call for lower taxation at the same as needing better health care. Or being able to offer young adults a better life.
What I want is far more effort in attracting foreign investment resulting in more job opportunities and the rest follows naturally.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 14, 2024 16:03:34 GMT
I note Vinny is still halfway through his Big Book of Fairytales. I really can't accept the idea that happy families will solve issues like the cost of living, potential invasion of Europe, high numbers of those who have chosen too leave work early, the problems in the NHS and care. I cant reconcile the call for lower taxation at the same as needing better health care. Or being able to offer young adults a better life. What I want is far more effort in attracting foreign investment resulting in more job opportunities and the rest follows naturally. Why foreign investment? We should have learned the lesson that being foreign dependent is a bad thing.
Domestic investment would be far better.
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 15, 2024 11:33:30 GMT
Standard lefty MO , the gullible will believe them Mentions ''passporting'' (ie on the way to the untaxed income handouts package -plus if they can get a disability label the cap is non existent) in passing then ignores it and reverts to the standard lefty pretence of it's merely a pittance single handout income and the taxable single OAP pension ''lucrative''. Think if you reread the thread, it wasn't me that claimed it was a pittance, but I was quoting who did to point out the ridiculous nature of their argument. You're not quite right on what passporting benefits are. It doesn't entitle you to more benefits, but if you are eligible then the calculation is simplified to take away the means testing element, but is still subject to other restrictions. Means testing is irrelevant to whether handout A opens the doors to handouts B, C D etc which taken as a total handouts package is untaxed income in excess of the personal tax allowance threshold at which normal people ae taxed. A child cruelty case a couple of years ago revealed in evidence that the defendant couple were in receipt of £7000 per month income in benefit handouts and eligible , £84000 per year untaxed income. Normal people pay tax over the personal allowance and would have been funding this scandalous amount of handouts, . I'm not of course even considering the value of various monetary concessions/discounts given to benefits spongers - eg council tax reductions or admission tickets and the like . bournefreelive.co.uk/eastbourne-couple-jailed-for-child-neglect-were-paid-7000-a-month-in-benefits/ |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 15, 2024 16:00:52 GMT
Think if you reread the thread, it wasn't me that claimed it was a pittance, but I was quoting who did to point out the ridiculous nature of their argument. You're not quite right on what passporting benefits are. It doesn't entitle you to more benefits, but if you are eligible then the calculation is simplified to take away the means testing element, but is still subject to other restrictions. Means testing is irrelevant to whether handout A opens the doors to handouts B, C D etc which taken as a total handouts package is untaxed income in excess of the personal tax allowance threshold at which normal people ae taxed. A child cruelty case a couple of years ago revealed in evidence that the defendant couple were in receipt of £7000 per month income in benefit handouts and eligible , £84000 per year untaxed income. Normal people pay tax over the personal allowance and would have been funding this scandalous amount of handouts, . I'm not of course even considering the value of various monetary concessions/discounts given to benefits spongers - eg council tax reductions or admission tickets and the like . bournefreelive.co.uk/eastbourne-couple-jailed-for-child-neglect-were-paid-7000-a-month-in-benefits/It doesn't "open the door", that is your misunderstanding, which was what I was trying to explain. It merely takes away the means tested element, which was correct. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 15, 2024 17:52:15 GMT
Means testing is irrelevant to whether handout A opens the doors to handouts B, C D etc which taken as a total handouts package is untaxed income in excess of the personal tax allowance threshold at which normal people ae taxed. A child cruelty case a couple of years ago revealed in evidence that the defendant couple were in receipt of £7000 per month income in benefit handouts and eligible , £84000 per year untaxed income. Normal people pay tax over the personal allowance and would have been funding this scandalous amount of handouts, . I'm not of course even considering the value of various monetary concessions/discounts given to benefits spongers - eg council tax reductions or admission tickets and the like . bournefreelive.co.uk/eastbourne-couple-jailed-for-child-neglect-were-paid-7000-a-month-in-benefits/It doesn't "open the door", that is your misunderstanding, which was what I was trying to explain. It merely takes away the means tested element, which was correct. Just done some googling and passporting opens doors to other benefits as I thought it's a package Passported benefits
What are passported benefits?
Passported benefits are benefits or schemes which some groups of people are entitled to because of their entitlement to certain other benefits or tax credits. Benefits and tax credits which can passport you to other benefits or schemes include:
Income Support
Jobseekers Allowance (income-based)
Employment and Support Allowance (income-related)
Pension Credit (guarantee credit)
Universal Credit
What can I get?
If you, or your partner, are in receipt of one of the above benefits you may also be entitled to:
help with health costs, including: free NHS prescriptions, dental treatment, wigs, fabric supports, eye tests, vouchers towards the cost of glasses or contact lenses and help with cost of travel for NHS treatment or referral by a doctor or dentist - see or
The above schemes are also available to those claiming Child Tax Credit - though some require your household income to be under a threshold if you qualify via the Child Tax Credit route. Those claiming Universal Credit may also qualify for the above schemes, again for some schemes an income limit may apply. Please look up the individual schemes to check the qualifying criteria.
Additional schemes and benefits available
There are additional schemes and benefits which may be available if you are in receipt of income-related ESA, income-based JSA, Income Support or Pension Credit (paid as guarantee credit) or certain rates of Disability Living Allowance.
These additional schemes and benefits are mainly awarded at the discretion of your local council, and can include:
blue parking badge
discount leisure pass
bus pass
free car tax
discounted rail card
reduced taxi fares
www.entitledto.co.uk/help/passported-benefits#:~:text=Passported%20benefits%20are%20benefits%20or,Jobseekers%20Allowance%20(income%2Dbased) Passported benefits
Passported benefits are benefits or schemes which some people are entitled to because of their entitlement to certain other benefits or Tax Credits.
Extra support that claimants in receipt of Universal Credit may be entitled to includes:
• help with health costs, including prescriptions and dental treatment
• free school meals and other educational benefits
• Healthy Start vouchers
• legal aid
• help with the costs of using courts or tribunals
• help with prison visiting costs
• help from energy and water suppliers
• warm home discount •
Cold Weather Payments
• Sure Start Maternity Grant (Best Start in Scotland)
• funeral payments
• low cost phone packages
• travel discount schemes
These are the main benefits but the list is not exhaustive. Claimants who are receiving Legacy benefits are also eligible for this extra support.
There are many other schemes which are delivered locally.
Development work is currently underway on a number of the passported benefits listed in this guidance.
As this work is completed - information on these schemes will be added to the guidance.
For more information on eligibility and how to apply see GOV.UK.
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 16, 2024 9:46:50 GMT
I note Vinny is still halfway through his Big Book of Fairytales. I really can't accept the idea that happy families will solve issues like the cost of living, potential invasion of Europe, high numbers of those who have chosen too leave work early, the problems in the NHS and care. I cant reconcile the call for lower taxation at the same as needing better health care. Or being able to offer young adults a better life. What I want is far more effort in attracting foreign investment resulting in more job opportunities and the rest follows naturally. Why foreign investment? We should have learned the lesson that being foreign dependent is a bad thing.
Domestic investment would be far better.
There isnt enough money in the domestic market. The country is already over a trillion pounds in debt in an unknown interest rate situation. Investment in serious and future economic welfare is going to places you voted to leave. Because business knows the market is already there and is global via the EU trade deals. And no one wants to invest in such an unreliable erratic uk government ? |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 16, 2024 9:50:32 GMT
Why foreign investment? We should have learned the lesson that being foreign dependent is a bad thing.
Domestic investment would be far better.
There isnt enough money in the domestic market. The country is already over a trillion pounds in debt in an unknown interest rate situation. Investment in serious and future economic welfare is going to places you voted to leave. Because business knows the market is already there and is global via the EU trade deals. And no one wants to invest in such an unreliable erratic uk government ? A bit of a catch 22 for them then, because they know we mean to take our country back, from their cold dead hands if need be. At the moment they have decided suicide is the best option, we will see when its them on the receiving end. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 16, 2024 10:11:16 GMT
There isnt enough money in the domestic market. The country is already over a trillion pounds in debt in an unknown interest rate situation. Investment in serious and future economic welfare is going to places you voted to leave. Because business knows the market is already there and is global via the EU trade deals. And no one wants to invest in such an unreliable erratic uk government ? A bit of a catch 22 for them then, because they know we mean to take our country back, from their cold dead hands if need be. At the moment they have decided suicide is the best option, we will see when its them on the receiving end. I have no idea what you are talking about. A small Dad's army of flag waving brexit supporters has already been wiped out. |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 16, 2024 10:14:35 GMT
A bit of a catch 22 for them then, because they know we mean to take our country back, from their cold dead hands if need be. At the moment they have decided suicide is the best option, we will see when its them on the receiving end. I have no idea what you are talking about. A small Dad's army of flag waving brexit supporters has already been wiped out. It says what do you want, so do I have to keep spelling it out. Whether that be all over the UK or Europe, I really don't mind. It makes no difference to me what bullshit you can think up at any given time. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 16, 2024 12:28:08 GMT
Why foreign investment? We should have learned the lesson that being foreign dependent is a bad thing.
Domestic investment would be far better.
There isnt enough money in the domestic market. The country is already over a trillion pounds in debt in an unknown interest rate situation. Investment in serious and future economic welfare is going to places you voted to leave. Because business knows the market is already there and is global via the EU trade deals. And no one wants to invest in such an unreliable erratic uk government ?
You're still not over it, I see.  |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 16, 2024 12:34:38 GMT
It reminds of all the times we were asked if we were winning yet, well not exactly but far from losing our minds like some.
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 17, 2024 9:21:39 GMT
There isnt enough money in the domestic market. The country is already over a trillion pounds in debt in an unknown interest rate situation. Investment in serious and future economic welfare is going to places you voted to leave. Because business knows the market is already there and is global via the EU trade deals. And no one wants to invest in such an unreliable erratic uk government ?
You're still not over it, I see. And I note that you are still communicating in picture. What with vinny's fairy tales and your looking at picture books, you are finally crawling out of your shall. I never mentioned the EU. India is looking to seriously invest internationally and is heading towards Russia. China has been investing in Africa for years. The USA is always looking to expand. There isnt enough money in the few British companies because they have all been sold off. Services was the sector that covered the net national growth that physical investment fell off the cliff. Brexit screwed up the UK dominance in services and banking/insurance. The serious money investment elsewhere. It is quite clear that like the tiny percentage of diehards, you never understood what you voted for. I have some bad news. Both the major parties and à large majority of the public have now begun to learn what they voted for and are seeking to amend the relationship between the UK and the EU. I give it ten years until you apply to rejoin or there wont be a fag paper between you both. Whether you will be welcome is another story. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 17, 2024 9:36:06 GMT
There isnt enough money in the domestic market. The country is already over a trillion pounds in debt in an unknown interest rate situation. Investment in serious and future economic welfare is going to places you voted to leave. Because business knows the market is already there and is global via the EU trade deals. And no one wants to invest in such an unreliable erratic uk government ?
You're still not over it, I see. I notice she forgets that all the EU member states are in debt too. According to Statista, France is in debt to the tune of $3.19 trillion U.S. dollars. Germany $3 trillion.... |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 17, 2024 9:46:42 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Jun 17, 2024 9:59:39 GMT
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